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Claudia Is Intersex, Let's Talk About It

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Hey there, Autostraddlers. I'm Claudia, and I’m intersex.

Hello!

I mean, I'm lots of things. For example, I'm . . .

  • a graduate student in the sciences in NYC
  • a feminist with riot-grrrly-type tendencies
  • a gay lady with an amazing girlfriend and some of the best friends, both queer and straight, that I could ever hope for
  • a chronically late sleeper & recovering procrastinator
  • a not-recovering peanut butter m&m's addict (THEY ARE PERFECT AND WE'RE IN LOVE)

But yeah, I'm also intersex. And this is why I'm really here.

Intersex is generally thought of as a medical condition—a rare and kind of weird thing that sometimes happens to kids and needs to be fixed. I feel like the cultural consciousness around intersex is the image of an androgynous-y looking person with both a penis and a vulva; like a man and a woman smashed together, who is maybe "really" male or female, or maybe both, or maybe something else entirely.

This image isn't accurate, although it took me more than a decade to really understand and embrace that. Intersex, first and foremost, is about bodies—a biological way of being. When most individuals are born, the doctor or the doula or the flustered taxi cab driver shouts out, "It's a boy!" or, "It's a girl!" The person shouting figures out whether this new, tiny human is a boy or a girl by inventorying the set of physical traits they have. Although doctors typically check only external genitalia to assign sex, these traits also include internal sex organs, chromosomes, and hormone types and levels. If a child has all the "boy forms" of these traits, he's a boy. If the child has all the "girl forms" of these traits, she's a girl. Intersex people are born with a mix of sex characteristics – some traditionally considered male, and some considered female – in the same body. For example, I have a vagina and later developed breasts and hips, but I also have XY chromosomes, and had testes at birth. I've got some "male" traits and some "female" traits in the same body, so it's not so easy to clearly assign me "male" or "female." My own body is just one example; intersex isn't a single category, and there are many different variations of intersex and, within each variation, a lot of diversity. Not all male or female bodies look and function the same, you know? Knowing that I'm intersex alone doesn't really tell you much about me or my body.

We are all real.
via gather.com

Understanding what intersex means also helps with understanding what it doesn't mean. Our bodies are natural and normal and healthy; while some health problems are associated with some forms of intersex, simply being intersex isn't a health problem in and of itself. Females typically have ovaries, but the fact that some women can get ovarian cancer doesn't mean being female is a disease, right? Further, intersex people - biologically speaking - are not hermaphrodites. Hermaphrodites are living things that, at the same time or at different points in their life cycle, have complete and fully functioning sets of "male" and "female" sex organs – external and internal. Humans don't qualify under this definition, with hermaphroditic species represented mostly by plants, fish, mollusks and other little beasties. "Hermaphrodite" is a dated term that physicians used to apply to people with atypical sex anatomy, and while it is widely considered offensive today, some intersex people have reclaimed it and use it as an inclusive term (e.g., "Give me a herm hug!") or an identity label. This also means that the popular conception of a hermaphrodite as someone with both a penis and a vagina isn't biologically accurate. While external genitals may look atypical in some forms of intersex, this is not the case for others. It totally depends. Intersex is definitely about bodies, but it's not really about genitals.

No, it just makes you a raptor that likes to fuck snails.
via knowyourmeme.com

Intersex has long been considered to be a controversial subject, and as I've grown to accept my intersex, it's become harder and harder to understand why. It really isn't so revolutionary to accept that there's variation in what people's bodies look like and how they function. Like, there's not only brown eyes and blue eyes; there are dark brown eyes and light brown eyes and medium brown eyes and deep deep blue eyes and crystal blue eyes that seem to stare right through you and green and hazel and violet and violet with green flecks in it and blue with gold flecks in it and so many other colors you'd have to catalog them like paint swatches. We're comfortable with the fact that there aren't just two heights, or two weights, or two skin colors that people come in.

Why should sex be any different?

There are at least this many sexes. (Maybe)
via joystory.blogspot.com

This concept – that sex isn't binary, that there are many ways biological sex can present itself – is a really fucking scary concept for a lot of people. I think it's because there's this idea out there that based on the body parts that a person has, their sex, gender, and sexual orientation are all inherently linked in one of two pre-determined sets. A child assigned female at birth is instantly assumed to be of female gender. She'll feel like a girl, she'll play with dolls dressed up in pink, she'll act like a lady, she'll wear skirts and lipstick, she'll be kind and nurturing. It's also generally assumed that she'll be attracted to boys, and have sex with boys, especially the ever-hallowed penis-in-the-vagina kind of heterosexual intercourse, amirite? (Cue choir of angels.)

Gender roles: enforce early and often
via favim.com

But what do you do when confronted with a person whose body isn't easily categorized as male or female? What would their gender be? Maybe they won't feel like a boy or a girl and will play with GI Joes dressed up in pink, and act like a lady except when they won't, and they'll dress in clothing combinations that scare the kids. Maybe they'll like just girls or just boys or both or other disturbing little snowflakes like themselves, and who KNOWS what will happen if they reproduce.

Maybe it's time to freak the fuck out.

In short, unlike typical girls and boys, there are no guidelines telling society how intersex people are supposed to be treated. Intersex bodies create social panic. Our physical traits might not really be so scary, but the implications of accepting our bodies go pretty quickly from what-does-this-mean to what-the-hell-am-I-supposed-to-do-NOW?! Biological sex is one of the most fundamental ways human beings identify and understand each other; if our idea of biological sex is wrong, what else could be wrong? It's too much to handle.

HERMAGEDDON
via en.wikipedia.org

The seemingly obvious solution for a long time has been to just try and "fix" us. We're really just "normal" boys and girls with medical conditions. Treat the conditions – remove and alter what you can (e.g., genitals, internal sex organs, hormones) and try to forget what you can't (e.g. chromosomes).

One of the most common "treatments" is genital surgery. Some intersex kids have genitals that are not typically male or female and are sometimes considered "ambiguous." (I hate this term. Our genitals don't, like, morph their shape every so often or something. Our bodies aren't "in between" male and female bodies. They exist in their own right.) The clitoris and the penis develop from the same tissue in the body, so some individuals have what can be considered an enlarged clitoris or a small penis. Enlarged clitoris = too masculine for girls, and small penis = not a real man, so clinicians and parents usually opt to assign these children female and make this structure smaller (or, a few decades ago, remove it altogether) to look "normal." Never mind that these surgeries are for cosmetic purposes and do not track health. Never mind that the children are almost always very young, and cannot consent to these procedures. Never mind that these kids, when they grow up, might not feel sexual sensation to some degree/at all under the scar tissue, might not ever know what an orgasm feels like. Never mind that the surgeries are irreversible, these kids have to live with the results of those surgeries for the rest of their lives.

There are many other treatments to "correct" the many ways that intersex bodies make other people uncomfortable. Doctors try to surgically move the urethra to the tip of the penis when it's located elsewhere, or less commonly, surgically change an enlarged clitoris/small penis into a bigger penis. Multiple procedures are often necessary, and they result in a lot of scar tissue. Vaginal canals deemed not long enough for normal, heterosexual sex are reconstructed, although they might not self-lubricate or can close up or prolapse. Barring surgery, these vaginal canals can also be "dilated," or regularly stretched with medical dildos for months or years. Internal sex organs are often removed because clincians warn there's a chance they can become cancerous if left alone. This practice isn't very logical, though; after all, doctors don't remove typical girls' ovaries or boys' prostates at birth because these kids might develop ovarian/prostate cancer someday. Removing internal sex organs can make once-fertile individuals non-reproductive, and unable to produce hormones important for development and bone health. My testes were removed a few months after birth, and now I take a pill every day to replace the hormones my body could make on its own. I am privileged enough to have health insurance right now, but buying those pills feels yucky on principle, and it upsets me that I have to take them at all. While I elect to take my pills most days, doctors might put children on hormone replacement therapy from a young age to develop like a typical boy or girl. The results are sometimes irreversible.

There's so much that intersex people have to live through, and heal from.

This shit is fucked
via guardian.co.uk

For a long time, I bought into the medical model of intersex, that I was some kid of girl-thing-person-whatever, and that it was the doctors' jobs to make me normal—to erase the parts of me that were too strange, too much, and help me be this real girl that was buried somewhere inside of me. I was born in the mid-80s, when the internet wasn't around yet, and I'd never heard anyone describe intersex as something other than a medical condition. It wasn't until college that I began exploring intersex, on my now laughably bulky desktop in my dorm room when my roommate wasn't there. I began to learn about my body and see other perspectives. There were other intersex people, like me, who seemed to think that intersex wasn't this bad thing that needed to be fixed and erased. They said that what was done to their bodies was wrong, that it was done without their consent, that their parents and their doctors shouldn't be able to make choices about what's done to their body when it doesn't track health. They asserted that doctors shouldn't be involved at all: if our natural bodies are healthy, they reasoned, then why go to the doctor to "fix" it? We're not sick—what's to fix?

What needs to be fixed is the way we view intersex in our society, and the cosmetic medical procedures we're subjected to without consent. Intersex activists started mobilizing in the early-mid 90's. The first public protest by intersex people was held in 1996 when I was just ten, two years after I learned that I didn't have a uterus and wouldn't get my period, and three years before I'd hear the word intersex for the first time. Since then, many intersex activists have been working to raise awareness that intersex exists and that we're just normal people, even if our bodies are less common.

The first public intersex protest (Oct 26, 1996)
via intersexualite.de

Today, I know that the medical model isn't accurate, and I've been working to do something about it. I'm the author of the blog Full Frontal Activism: Intersex and Awesome, the co-founder and co-coordinator of NYC's annual Intersex Awareness Day events, and the Associate Director of the U.S. chapter of Organization Intersex International (OII), the world's largest global advocacy group for intersex issues. (The U.S. webpage is under construction right now, so feel free to check out OII Australia's fantastic website instead.)

As a gay lady, I've also been doing more thinking about the overlap of intersex issues with all things queer, like the heterosexism inherent in performing major surgical procedures to ensure that a vagina can accomodate a penis, or constructing a "normal clitoris" that won't potentially freak out a male partner. It's also becoming increasingly common to screen fetuses for certain kinds of intersex, like congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) [1]. Most CAH individuals are generally assigned and raised as female, but since they have relatively higher testosterone levels, being queer is seen as a secondary effect of CAH [2]. CAH → gay/queer. So parents are electing to have blood samples taken in utero to see if their kid will have CAH, at which point they can decide whether they want to terminate the pregnancy. All of this stuff is queerphobic, as it allows no space for these kids to make choices about what they want their body to look and function like based on who they're attracted to, and what kinds of sex they want to have someday. There are many reasons why parents and doctors may want to have their intersex child surgically altered, and in some cases, queerphobia may unfortunately be at the top of the list.

Intersex issues are queer issues.
via osisa.org

Intersex is now being included in the LGBT acronym, in adding the "I." Not all intersex people are comfortable with this, and many of the same arguments that were used before including trans* individuals are now used for intersex: that intersex isn't a sexual orientation or a gender identity. That not all intersex people feel queer in L, G, B, or other ways, and don’t want to be affiliated with the queer community. Not all intersex people want to publicly acknowledge their intersex, or don't identify as intersex, because intersex people are already normal just as we are. More intersex activists are now opting for intersex inclusion in LGBTI, however, because our broad goals are in line with those of other queer movements: treat us as equals and accept our autonomy, regardless of our sex and gender identities and what we choose to do with our bodies. Look at us, know that we're real and we're visible if you open your eyes and your mind, and know in your heart that what's happening to us is bullshit.

Let us choose what to do with our bodies and our selves.

I am really excited to be talking about intersex issues on Autostraddle. While I want to discuss issues broadly related to intersex, I really want to focus on issues affecting queer intersex ladies. How our bodies influence our understanding of our sexual orientations. How being intersex adds another layer of coming out to potential sex and relationship partners. How being queer takes on a new dimension when other people realize you're queer AND intersex. How to be supportive of intersex sex partners, who might have physical and emotional scars from being shuttled through the medical system.

I also want to share some of my history – my personal stories – and create some dialogue about intersex issues you, dear readers, want to have.

Like I said, I'm Claudia, and I'm intersex.

Thanks for letting me share this with you. It's really great to meet you. <3

 

1. Karkazis, 2008Fixing Sex:  Intersex, Medical Authority, and Lived Experience

2. Feder, 2011Where Medicine and Homophobia Meet: The Case of Prenatal Dexamethosone

178 responses to “Claudia Is Intersex, Let's Talk About It”

  1. Marika

    Hi Claudia! First, you have very cute dimples and I also like peanut butter m&ms and do science. I feel like we’re friends already.

    Second, this is a really amazing, in depth, thoughtful article and I really appreciate your input. Do you have advice for parents who have intersex children?

    (I’m gonna go read your blog now).

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    1. Brooke.

      First thought when just SEEING this article:

      Dimples. Remember to compliment the dimples. Then I read the article. Now I just want to compliment everything!

      Also- the differentiation between hermaphrodites/intersex. I DIDN’T EVEN REALIZE THAT WAS A THING I DIDN’T KNOW! Very interesting. Thank you for all of the things you’ve taught me today!

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  2. Alison

    great post!

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  3. yodelmachine

    hello claudia! welcome!

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  4. Amanda Sigler

    What a well written, informed, and informative article. Opening dialog is the first step to any type of change…

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  5. Jessica

    This is awesome, Claudia, and I am so happy to see intersex representation on Autostraddle! I teach Introduction to Cultural Anthropology, and my students were blown away learning that sex and gender were different concepts…and even more so by the fact that sex identity ISN’T binary, and that its determination at birth is predicated on numerous genetic/physiological aspects.

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  6. Sawyer

    “Hermagaddon” made me do a massive giggle-snort and now people are looking at me funny.

    Welcome, Claudia! Thanks for such an interesting article!

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  7. Emily

    Welcome aboard, Claudia!

    Thanks for writing this thoughtful, intelligent overview of the issue. This is definitely something I’m aware of but don’t know a lot about, so I’m incredibly keen to learn more/get my shit in order about my understanding of intersex people.

    “Intersex bodies create social panic” – it’s amazing how easy it is to create social panic, yes? For all the folks who claim a “live and let live” attitude, you’d think there would be less of it. Alas. So I’m super grateful to folks like you who are actively working to make things better.

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  8. Danielle

    great post. I’m taking a gender seminar and this topic was exactly what we were discussing a few weeks ago. I am going to share with my class. It’s so great to put a personal perspective on these issues. thanks for your vulnerability and your honesty. I’m Danielle, it’s great to meet you Claudia! :)

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  9. Danette

    Well put, and super brave of you to come out and say all these things! <3 It's so true– people are people! Not ideas that fit snuggly into little boxes. Genital mutilation is horrible, it's awful that the desire to make kids visually 'normal' is more important that the numerous consequences to those actions– including the messages that sends the kids ("You aren't normal, you arent right, you have to be fixed) :(
    Bodies should be celebrated for being different and unique and beautiful!!! Not shunned…
    <3 to ya!!!

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  10. Jessica

    Reading your blog now and I love the Child’s-Eye View post! My friend Brittney and I have been talking about writing radical children’s books for a while – figuring out how to communicate ways of understanding and knowledge about the world away from the (often harmful) social norm is so important. I think your X-Men post is a great example of how to successfully do that!

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  11. LaurenOh

    Eeeee!!!! EEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! I’m intersex as well and only know two other people in the real life that are (one being a family member), so to see this on Autostraddle, the site that’s been around covering so many of the issues that have been pertinent to my existence as I’ve fostered this lovely queer masculine-of-center identity of mine, has definitely just made my day. Thank you so much for writing such a comprehensive article, as this can be such a complicated subject to broach, and one that isn’t discussed often.

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  12. Jesse Wolfhagen

    Hi Claudia,

    Thank you so much for this amazing post! This is one of the finer examples of people explaining scientific ideas (the idea of biological sex and interindividual variability) that I’ve seen, and I’m sure it wasn’t particularly easy to write – but your passion and personal involvement showed and really made this a delight to read and very informative.

    From an anthropology background, I hear frequently and know well that gender is a social construction and is therefore extremely variable, changing, and in no way binary. Unfortunately, the way it is usually taught in classes are “sex is either male or female. gender is more complex!” I think you bring up a great point that the biology itself is incredibly complex and variable, too – and that this is a thing that has always been the case across cultures and human history. Your article has certainly changed the way that I’ll try to bring up gender in my classes from now on.

    Thank you again for this heart-felt article and for having the strength to really accept yourself for who you are. I’m certainly glad that you have that strength! Best of luck with your research activities, outreach activities, and life activities!

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  13. jenn

    Hi Claudia! Excited to go read your blog and learn more for sure. I’m a medical student, and when we had the “ambiguous genitalia” lecture last year, surgery was stated as the treatment. As in, cosmetic surgery, for no medical/life saving reason…(hormones in some cases are necessary and life saving but as you said there are many conditions under the intersex umbrella). Do you know of some good resources that I can point classmates to that explain the harms of surgery on a tiny unable-to-consent human being?? This article was a great intro, so thank you!

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    1. Sophiedoz

      Hi! I’m not Claudia, but I can recommend you the book Intersex in the Age of Ethics which is edifying and also contains visuals and testimonies. http://www.amazon.fr/Intersex-Ethics-Alice-Domurat-Dreger/dp/1555721001/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1361386012&sr=8-5

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      1. ginasf

        Sophie, just want to mention that Alice Dreger has a VERY mixed rep in both the Intersex and Trans communities. She is very much a proponent of the label “Disorders of Sexual Development” which many Intersex people find offensive. Moreover, she has a bad history of transphobia and supporting some very hack ‘researchers’ like J. Michael Bailey.

        If you want to read more about it: http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/alice-dreger/alice-dreger.html

        A really excellent book that I do recommend is “Fixing Sex” by Katrina Karkazis. It gives an excellent history of the history of altering Intersex genital without consent and the movement by Intersex people to own their own identities and bodies.

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  14. Nina

    “I’m the author of the blog Full Frontal Activism: Intersex and Awesome, the co-founder and co-coordinator of NYC’s annual Intersex Awareness Day events, and the Associate Director of the U.S. chapter of Organization Intersex International (OII), the world’s largest global advocacy group for intersex issues.”

    Holy shit, you make me feel like I’m the world’s biggest slacker. You’re hardcore! Welcome aboard!

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  15. Erin

    This is fantastic! I knew surprisingly little about intersex people before reading this and now I feel more informed. Yay, knowledge!

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  16. Kate

    Wow, this is great! I learnt stuff.

    I seriously appreciate the way Autostraddle continues to challenge every lurking heteronormative idea in my brain and help me smash it to pieces.

    Thank you!

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  17. vas

    Hey Claudia!
    May i ask what your opinion was of Jeffrey Eugenides’ “middlesex”? Given that intersex people are not very well-represented in mainstream literature and media i thought it was a decent effort especially at the beginning of the book but by the end I didn’t think it that great anymore.
    Cheerio and amazing article!

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  18. Rose

    Hi Claudia! This is a really informative article, about a topic I know very little about (the sum total of my experiences with intersex issues are reading Middlesex and watching that Freaks and Geeks episode where Ken finds out his girlfriend is intersex, and I’ve heard mixed things about both from people who know better than I do about these things). Also I am also totally addicted to peanut butter M&Ms and I’m glad I’m not the only one!

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  19. Riley

    Love it! Thanks so much for writing. I’m excited for more. <3

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  20. Kathryn

    A few things:
    I loved this article in all its informativeness, yay for knowledge and understanding.
    Re: Hermageddon, I guffawed like an old man
    Totally agree with Marika about your dimples <3
    Can't wait to hear more from you, Claudia!

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  21. Michelle

    This article was super interesting and relevant. Thank you for writing it!

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  22. Frodo

    This article wins all the awards.

    TY.

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  23. Jessica (the one you know)

    Wonderful article!!!! Yay Claudia!!!!

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  24. ginapdx

    Claudia, great first post!

    If anyone is further interested in Intersex experiences, I highly recommend Phoebe Hart’s fun and moving film “Orchids” (both her and her sister have CAIS).

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  25. Loring

    Love this so much, Claud. You rock. <3

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  26. James

    What a great article! Thanks for bringing more light into what some people would deem a dark subject. Only by helping the unimaginative out into the light are we ever going to get along. Thakns for writing this!

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  27. Leslie Crawford

    Good article. Many who idenify as Transsexual are probably Intersex. I know I am. I was said to be born as a male but half my life as this male and a lie people have mistaken me for female. There is more than just male or female and the sooner everyone accepts this the better it will be for everyone. Its so nice not to hide and just be me now.

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    1. ginapdx

      Yes, there are people in the trans community who fall somewhere on the spectrum of Intersex (especially some persons with CAH and Kleinfelter Syndrome who also ID as trans). But I also know a lot of Intersex persons are not happy with trans people saying that being trans in and of itself is a form of Intersex. The fact is, there really isn’t enough hard information about that and current brain studies are very rudimentary. IMO, there is some legitimacy to the feeling that some trans persons are appropriating Intersex identities to somehow legitimize their reality with the wider cis community and to solidify arguments for “born that way” discussions.

      I also think it’s worth mentioning that MANY Intersex persons (and, again, people with CAIS, CAH or Kleinfelter make up the vast majority of those who might be classified as Intersex) do NOT identify as either queer, trans or even ‘other bodied’ and I think it’s really important to respect that and not “other” people who don’t feel that way about themselves.

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  28. Morgan

    Hey Claudia! This article was really informative and I like how you write!

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  29. OneHornedOne

    Overall, wonderful article!

    BUT, and a big but – CAH (and any adrenal disorder) can be very serious. Certain forms will lead to death if untreated. Furthermore, I have seen conflicting evidence on whether or not CAH makes women more likely to be gay. You are only looking at CAH from a gender/sex/sexual orientation standpoint, but I assure you there are real medical consequences.

    I would definitely want to know and treat a fetus if it had CAH – even if it was more likely to be straight ;)

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  30. mel

    This is lovely. Thanks for writing. I’m also a med student and want to just forward this post to all of my ancient endocrine professors who really need to catch up with the times.

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  31. Liz Day

    Great article, but you can’t forget that many intersex people, like myself, are also trans.

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  32. Kincowie

    Thankyou for a great article.

    having been very ingrained in the medical model I have never even thought about the possible pros of leaving in testes in androgen insensitivity (or other intersex scenarios). Just accepted that removal was the thing to do, due to the relatively high risk of cancer.

    Thanks for making me think a little more deeply. I look forward to more thoughtful articles to shake me up a little.

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  33. annika

    Claudia, I’m so glad you’re writing for AS! One of my very first mentors when I came out in 2010 was a girl who identified as both trans* and intersex :)

    Yay for increased awareness that our concept of “sex”, like gender or sexuality, isn’t a fixed binary!

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  34. Tatiana

    Loved this article Claudia!

    AND AND AND I’m so happy to see the word “doula” on Autostraddle!! I might add however, that a good doula NEVER EVER FOREVER NEVER states the sex of the baby once it’s born. That privilege is for the parent(s) and parent(s) only. I hate it when Doctors or Midwives do it, let alone doulas!

    - NYC Doula & Birth Assistant

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  35. MS

    Wow – I’ve never heard a case made so clearly and, not even convincingly, like, there isn’t even a way not to be convinced or anything to be convinced of.

    I’m so looking forward to reading this!

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  36. MS

    re above: does it read as dismissive? It isn’t meant to. I just read it and was like “how could anyone not think this way about this issue?” “why has it been made an issue at all?” “but it is an issue for interesex people because the medical establishment and hetero-cis-patriarchy made it and issue so thank god such a convincing person is taking it on”

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  37. Monica

    Even though I’ve been proud of you countless times in your life, it pales in comparison to what I feel right now. I always knew you were “one in a million” and you just proved it! I love you, Claud, more than you know….Mom xos

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    1. Morgan

      this is so sweet!

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  38. Summer Bird

    Rad! Stoked to read more. Thanks for your perspective!

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  39. jenfriday

    Hi! I am really excited for your column and to have a chance to learn! I have a silly quick question. Have you ever seen the episode of “Freaks and Geeks” when Ken’s girlfriend tells him she is intersex? It’s been a little while since I have seen it, so I don’t remember the details very accurately, but I was wondering (if you have seen it) what your thoughts were; if they handled the situation well?

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  40. Shelby

    Hi Claudia! I love this article and the wonderfully conversational way you lay it all out. I’m Trans* identified and one of the things I have actually had leveled at me is “Are you intersexed?” as a means to ‘explain’ or justify the actions of being non-gender normative. Just another day at “My Little Trans* – Biology is Magic” land. From now on, I’ma just point folks at your article. I love this.

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    1. Alexandra

      I totally had this happen! It’s confusing. On the one hand, people can read me at a glance (and I find my reflection distinctly un-female). On the other hand, after one year on hormone therapy, my former doctor indicated that he was surprised by the results in a person over the age of 20 and suggested I get karyotyping done because I might be intersex. I never did (and I’m dubious whether my karyotype could possibly have anything to do with the way my body responds to estrogen–maybe someone can help me out with this?), but it felt odd that he needed to “justify” the “success” he perceived in my physical transition by knee-jerk intersex speculation. Is this a bigger social phenomenon than I realize, or is it just a fluke?

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  41. Diana

    I really enjoyed this article and I’m glad it’s on Autostraddle. I’m really looking forward to reading more from you, Claudia!

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  42. sarah

    echoing a lot of comments made already, but this is a really great article and i’m really excited to read more from you, claudia!

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  43. Jay

    Thank you for this wonderful and beautiful article. I learned so much, and I enjoyed it a lot. I can’t wait to read more from you.

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  44. jules

    thank you so much for writing such a beautiful article. you make a lot of points i often have difficulty getting across especially when i’m already triggered and defensive. it really helps to have voices such as yrs in the public conversation about gender and sex. our natural diversity is real and cannot be silenced even through the coercive surgeries many of us had as children! i am still recovering and healing through transition and taking an active role in my own creative gender experience but these concepts and possibilities were not readily available or easily accessible especially as an adolescent growing up in the 90s. so much mistreatment by so many uncomfortable doctors!

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  45. Robin

    Thank you for this article! I’m reading your blog now. I’m excited to learn more. :)

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  46. sb

    I really, really love Autostraddle for highlighting all sorts of experiences that don’t get talked about anywhere else, and for letting those people share their stories themselves. Claudia, you are very smart and funny and rad and I look forward to reading more from you! :)

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  47. kd15

    This was a wonderful and super informative article, I’m excited for your future articles.

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  48. Dena

    Loving it! Can’t wait to read more from you, Claudia. It’s awesome to meet you & thank you for posting here!

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  49. OneHornedOne

    Claudia – thanks for the CAH article. Here is another interesting one: http://www.caresfoundation.org/productcart/pc/prenatal_treatment_cah.html

    Again, wonderful article and really happy you wrote it!

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  50. Alison

    This was awesome, I’m so excited to read more from you!

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  51. Chandra

    “Internal sex organs are often removed because clincians warn there’s a chance they can become cancerous if left alone. This practice isn’t very logical, though; after all, doctors don’t remove typical girls’ ovaries or boys’ prostates at birth because these kids might develop ovarian/prostate cancer someday.”

    Wow. I guess I assumed this was done because there was a higher than usual risk for cancer in these cases? Although now that I think about it I don’t know why that would be. But if that isn’t the case, then I really can’t wrap my head around why any doctor would do this. Other than pure squeamishness around the idea of a female-presenting body having internal male organs or vice versa. Which is just… an unbelievably ridiculous reason to do major surgery on an infant.

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    1. ginapdx

      Chandra, in general, undescended testicles (in anyone’s body) are thought to be at a higher risk for testicular cancer. But the numbers on this increased risk widely vary from 4% more chance to over 40% chance. So, kind of with the reasons they used to use to medically justify circumcision, there are medical reasons, but are the medical reasons really the reason why they’re automatically doing it… maybe not.

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    2. Cassandra

      When we studied intersex in genetics, we were told that in some cases internal sex organs contain a lot of undifferentiated tissue, which is thought to significantly increase the risk of cancer compared to fully-formed, differentiated testes/ovaries. Thus the recommendation for removal.

      What the reasoning is for removing fully functional testes in e.g. CAH, I didn’t know until ginapdx’s post, so.

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      1. Marika

        Oh, Cassandra, thanks for this! I assume this means that there are lots more basic stem cells in internal sex organs, and there’s a stem cell/cancer hypothesis floating around that many cancer cells are similar to stem cells and that certain stem cells may increase the risk of cancer etc etc etc.

        I assume that it wouldn’t however be an issue until after puberty so maybe it could be left up to the person in question to choose…I don’t know the actual stats, clearly, but Gina’s post seems to suggest that it’s not a massive risk.

        (science thoughts)

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        1. Cassandra

          We were studying it specifically in the context of a case study where a patient presents with no secondary sexual characteristics at puberty. Whether removal is what the NHS would recommend if the patient in question was a child, I’m really not sure.

          Clearly going to have to do a lot more learning about this.

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          1. Cassandra

            Re-reading this, I realise that it’s completely steeped in the medical model. That’s the context in which I got the information, but I’m aware there are significant problems with it and I should have phrased my comment a lot better.

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      2. Kincowie

        There is probably all kinds of layers of internalised and institutionalised misogyny that subconsciously influence the decision making. But recall that whilst testicular cancer is rare (only 1% of all male cancers), it hits the young (most commonly 15-44, and it is curable if found early. In external testes it has a good chance of being found early.

        I wonder if with the advent of ultrasound and the possibility of screening internal testes whether it would be an option to leave until the child is an adult and can decide for themselves. BUT it is a brave parent when faced with the “your child has a much higher chance of cancer” who chooses to take that risk, when years of medical tradition state the best option is removal.

        Tradition is not a good reason to do something, but as a profession we can be slow to move. I wonder if treatments and screening options will change with greater awareness of intersex as a constellation of true genders. I know cosmetic genital surgery on children is changing.

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  52. Carmen

    omg you are like the smartest. and the best. this post was great!

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  53. Becky

    Claudia, thanks so much for your post. I wondered if you have ever seen the movie xxy and if so, what you thought of it?

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  54. Stefany

    Awesome. When I first came across intersex as a bright-eyed 18-year-old in my first (only?) gender studies class, I was fascinated. Why hadn’t I heard about it before? So I did research on it, and at that time I couldn’t find much in the way of personal accounts. Since then, thanks to the wonders of the internet and people like you, I’ve learned even more. And I wish there was a way to get even more people informed. People just come in so many different flavors, and no one has *any* idea.

    I would also go on a rant about the pros and cons of the medical model of diagnosis and treatment, since I’m in a class where that is a central focus, but this isn’t the space. :D

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  55. dcstraddler

    aaahhh this is so interesting and I learned so much! Thank you!

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  56. Nicky

    Just out of curiosity, if your claiming to be Intersex/DSD, then what kind of Intersex/DSD are you and what is your specific Intersex/DSD condition? It just seems like you left that out in your blog and makes me wonder whether your really are Intersex/DSD or a Trans trying to pass themselves off as an Intersex/DSD wannabe.

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    1. Shelby

      I find this specific comment to be both egregiously over stepping themselves and hilariously lacking any justification to do so. While I am a trans* identified person I cannot imagine ever requesting any sort of conformation from anyone, trans* or not, as to their sexual, gender, or personal identification.
      Using DSD terminology to frame this question(accusation) links the medical / psychological pathology model to a person who is Intersex despite no need to. Adherence to the particular view that personal identity is not within the agency of the individual is a thankfully outdated and receding concept in both the medical and clinical psychological settings. But hey, don’t let that stop you from thinking you can peek up my skirt to confirm anything. It won’t go well for you.
      (Mainly because my skirts are currently a mess.)
      But, all this is really academic. No, seriously. The point and tone of the above comment is one of demanding justification and proof of something that no one owes anyone, and reeks of a specific history or axe to grind.
      Heaven help us if someone, such as Claudia, educates us with a powerful and personal narrative of HER experience as a person identified as intersex, but doesn’t have the requisite paperwork. After reading Claudias response above it is clear that there is hostory here and prior issues.
      Luckily, I have great faith in the women of autostraddle to understand the difference between a valid query by a commenter looking for info, and a wannabe-commenter.

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      1. dizzy

        Word. Thanks for such a well articulated comment. I am dumbfounded at the presumptuousness and offensiveness of Nicky’s comments. I just can’t even. ‘I’m not being a douche because the radfems would be bigger douches to you’ seriously wtf seriously. Expecting you are entitled to somebody’s personal information and for them to ‘prove’ their identity is valid, just wtf I cannot fathom it.

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  57. Mellie

    Great piece, and so lovely to see this issue discussed on autostraddle! Thanks Claudia :]

    A few comments from someone who works in the medical field (and apologies if any have been already commented on, I didn’t have time to pore through 90 comments) -
    1. intra-abdominal (retained) testes are advised to be surgically removed due to higher risk of cancer development (than that of descended testes – which are, of course, traditionally retained for either reproductive or aesthetic purposes). Other symptoms secondary to increased estrogen produced by the tumor often include suppression of the bone marrow, leading to anemia, low platelets (which help clot blood), and low white cells (infection-fighting cells).
    2. the decision to screen for CAH prior to birth is for early treatment, as adrenal glands produce steroids (not just sex steroids, but our stress hormones) and help balance electrolytes and the body’s water balance. Dysregulation of the above can be life threatening. Early recognition and treatment can help individuals lead a nearly normal life. Genetic testing, done automatically *at birth* in the US and many other countries, is not being done to select for straight children by early pregnancy termination.

    That’s all from the health professional here lol… Thank you again for bringing a subject like this out in the open!

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  58. Brooke.

    Also- I was maaayyybeee reading this article in class when I came across that raptor picture, and definitely laughed at the caption in a volume that was by no means acceptable for a classroom situation.

    Needless to say, I was asked to leave.

    WORTH IT.

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      Nice! And definitely worth it.

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  59. Shana

    CLAUDIA YOU ARE AMAZING AUTOSTRADDLE IS NOW COMPLETE AND ALL OF MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE.

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  60. mandajo00

    YES. THIS.

    I have been reading Autostraddle for over two years on a pretty regular basis, and this is the first time I’ve commented on any article. As a queer lady with PAIS (partial androgen insensitivity syndrome), I was overjoyed to read such a well written article on the subject that I can really relate too. I’ve had a tough time trying to find an intersex voice in the LGBTQIA community and people like you show me how to do it! I’m excited to see where the discourse on this subject goes next :)

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  61. Vanessa

    this was really really excellent, and i promptly sent it to everyone i know encouraging them to read it, too. it’s going in the “must read” folder on my bookmark bar where i keep articles that i know i’ll want to refer people to in the future. which is all a round about way of saying thank you so much for writing this, and i really look forward to reading more of your work!

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  62. speedhakoo

    Thank you so much for sharing your story. It would be so amazing if you could write more regularly for Autostraddle. I am definitely going to read your blog.

    In my first gender studies class we were introduced to South African intersex activist Sally Gross who is also a philosopher extraordinaire, former anti-apartheid activist, researcher and Policy Adviser for the Regional Land Claims Commission in Cape Town, peace and justice activist against the occupation in Israel,a theologian,is rabbinically trained, and also a long-standing practitioner of Buddhist meditation. Yes, she kind of pushes the notion of ‘remarkable’ into a whole new realm and blew my tiny mind. I learned so much from her and I feel like everyone should read her story available here http://www.intersex.org.za/index.php/en/about-us/staff-members.

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    1. Laneia

      you’ll definitely see more from claudia on autostraddle! we’re super excited to have her in the mix.

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  63. Melanie

    really well done, and welcome!

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  64. Mary

    This is such an interesting and informative post! This is a subject I now realise I was almost completely unaware of before reading this article. Thanks for explaining and discussing it so fantastically! I’m really looking forward to reading more of your posts in the future! :)

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  65. dizzy

    Ah wow, this is so fantastic, I was squeeing when I was reading it! You have a really great writing style, thoughtful and intelligent, but you manage to put so much personality into it – it’s like you’re in a room having a friendly chat with the reader.

    I frickin’ loved what you wrote about the links between surgery on intersex infants and queerphobia. I’ve never thought about that from that perspective before, so it was nice to have my mind expanded. So looking forward to your contributions to Autostradde!

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  66. Justina

    Claudia, thank you so much for talking about intersex. Last semester, I wrote a paper about how gender and sex are not congruent and in that paper I talked about intersex (which I mistakenly called hermaphrodite. Yikes!) a little bit. It fascinated me and really made me think about how wrong the western system around sex and gender is. After reading this I looked at a lot of the posts on your blog and others you have linked to and learned a lot. I’ve also linked this article and some of your blog posts to my younger siblings, in hopes they can also learn more about the variations of human bodies.

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  67. anna

    I’d like to recommend a couple of books for those interested- I am a visual artist and my work deals with issues of intersex, trans* and the concept of “othering” bodies, grappling with our masochistic practice of creating social stigmas, dichotomies and pressures for ourselves. There allegedly are statistically as many intersex persons as Jewish persons living in the US, but our culture of “hush it up, sew it up” keeps us from celebrating our unique Selves. I am constantly looking for articles like this one! A great novella is “Intersex” by Thea Hillman, AND AND AND “Sexing the Body” by Anne Fausto-Sterling. She is also the author of Myths of Gender, and I would STRONGLY recommend Sexing the Body to anyone new to the topic or really….just anyone. http://books.google.com/books/about/Sexing_the_Body.html?id=DzDaAAAAMAAJ

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  68. Mellie

    This film (Intersexion) is doing film festival screenings: http://www.intersexionfilm.com/

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  69. ricecooker

    Thanks for sharing your story, Claudia!

    Btw, I’m not sure if anyone’s interested but there was a manga about intersexuals published in Japan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS_(manga)

    (A drama adaptation from the manga was released in 2011 but I found it somewhat lacking…
    http://wiki.d-addicts.com/ISdrama )

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  70. Leslie Crawford

    Many times the truth is viewed as negative for those unwilling to face the truth and view those who tell the truth as trouble makers. This is true in all walks of life. Facts not Myths.

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  71. Paper0Flowers

    Oh wow, this is easily one of the best essays I’ve read on this site. I never knew the difference between biological hermaphrodity and intersex.

    Are you going to be a regular here?? Can we keep you????

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  72. Lord of the Things

    Thank you so much for this article, Claudia! I just spent way too much time on your blog, you are a great and thoughtful writer.

    I really enjoyed your post questioning biological definitions of sex – its something that really interests me, because i always see the “sure, you can have different gender identities, I guess, but really there are only TWO sexes” pulled out by offensive people in offensive arguments and I just want to smack them upside their heads with knowledge but I can’t. At the end of the day I know those kinds of arguments are just derailing, but it still makes me mad.

    So yes, thank you for sharing your experiences, thoughts and knowledge!

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  73. Alexandra

    I had been aware of the intersex community, but remain largely ignorant about it. This article was a wake-up call that got me off my ass to do my due diligence* and learn about intersex issues so I can be a more respectful (and, hopefully, effective) ally!

    *I was going to edit this, but it’s the longest string of cliches I’ve written since my last round of holiday thank-you cards, and it’s almost endearing. Almost.

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  74. Citrusjava

    You. Are awesome.
    Just wanted to say :-)

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  75. Corinne

    Hi Claudia! I’m really looking forward to your articles, even if pretzel M&Ms are the objective superior.

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  76. Maria

    You absolutely rock, Claudia! I was slack-jawed at your credentials and many titles and think you are an excellent ambassador for Intersex awareness. You explained everything so well, and I have already learned so much from you and am eager to learn more.

    On a sidenote, I love that you are a biological anthropologist! I am about to start grad school for cultural anthropology. I always think people who are anthropologists are so much more interesting ;)

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  77. R-J Niemelä

    Great post, some info that was new to me, even if I am one of the more society standarded “normal” peeps I like to read and “research” the subject. Not to weed it out but to understand and just in case. But there is one thing that someone should drive through and make it iLBGT instead.

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  78. Jemma

    Hey Claudia, welcome aboard! This is a really great article and now I am excited to Learn More Things About the World in an Attempt to Become a Better Person! (I like it when things have official-sounding titles.) Really looking forward to reading more from you. :D

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  79. Betty

    Thank you Claudia for this beautifully written, informative and kick ass, from the heart article. Looking forward to reading more from you, thank you for infinitely improving what was the gender normative day from hell :)

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  80. JB

    Thanks a lot for this. Until today I’ve regarded my own intersex as not really counting or unimportant, since I identify comfortably as male and it takes a rather thorough examination to establish otherwise anatomically (hypospadias, to be specific).

    But I remember clearly that my one of my very earliest memories is of coming out of anesthesia, terrified, not knowing what was going on, and later, pissing blood.

    I didn’t have to suffer that, and others suffer a lot worse. So I’ve been inspired to share my own story a bit on social media, along with your excellent article, in hopes of letting babies avoid unnecessary and risky surgery, and of course for adults to have our own say about our bodies. Again, my thanks.

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  81. Creatrix Tiara

    hi Claudia! Great to see you here :)
    I have been quite in awe of how the intersex community/activists have really taken on intersex awareness, more so than most other places (having been there for 6 years). It’d be great to read more about this especially on queer sources like A/S.

    For various reasons I have been thinking about doing some karyotyping or hormone testing to see if there’s something going on with my sex-related biology that I am unaware of (having been born and raised in a country where the whole *concept* of intersex-ness wasn’t even a thing). Do you know how would I go about finding this out? I’ve seen stuff related to pre-natal testing.

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  82. RL279

    You rock. Can’t wait to read more about intersex issues here. It’s honestly a topic I don’t know very much about and just this article has enlightened me.

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  83. chipperdyke

    Thank you for sharing this story. It makes me furious :( Wish I could do more.

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  84. Dina

    This is the first time I’ve talked about this publically (well, as public as the 153rd comment on a four-day-old article is, anyway) and I’ve been carrying it with me for years.

    When I was a teenager, 16 or 17 or so, my mom made an offhand comment that my vagina was grown over when I was born. I didn’t think much of it at the time, as I just assumed (rightly) that it was a thing that happened. Then, when I went to college, someone described what intersex was in a class presentation and it was as if I’d been hit across the back of the head with something. Any definition that includes atypical genitalia would include me.

    But, I mean, I don’t have a medical diagnosis. And I’ve got the body parts that are traditionally associated with women – nothing grown over now, that’s for sure. I function as a cisgender woman with no need for therapy and no surgery (at least that I know of).

    So there’s part of me that feels like I am intersex but another part of me that thinks I don’t quite qualify and I don’t know if it means anything vis a vis my queer identity and my gender fluidity and as soon as I try to put this all into words everything breaks.

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  85. Colin

    Just excellent! Really, it was so refreshing to read and the tone you use is easy and confident. I have many intersex friends and acquaintances and they are more dear than I can adequately put into words. There are also many damaged souls and ravaged bodies trying to live their after medics have done their work and butchered both their bodies and their self worth. Unless there is a serious, medical, demonstrable and quantifiable need, NO surgery should be performed until the person is able to make an informed judgement themselves. NONE! And when I say quantifiable, I don’t mean half baked, misleading data, cobbled together from sources that have NOTHING to do with the individual and are only used to scare and bully and confuse. I have looked into the ‘cancer risk’ you allude to (AIS/CAIS) and the more you dig, the more everything evaporates into speculation, gender bias and just plain untruths!

    Hardly a day goes by that I don’t hear from someone who is either in serious pain and questioning whether it’s worth keeping going, or who has decided that a relationship is a pointless fantasy for them because of what they have been told, or who’s self esteem as a human being has been severely beaten down through years of lies and propaganda.

    I am not L,G,B,T or I, but I will stand my ground beside anyone who’s life has been undermined and devalued by the issues you raise. Love and Respect.

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  86. Oliver

    “or the flustered taxi cab driver” – lol, this is so much win.

    So I guess I should stop joking to myself that, as a trans man who is not intersex, I have gynecomastia? Because it is becoming clear to me that this is probably offensive and appropriative. Sorry, my bad. I’m glad I never actually said it to anyone.

    I really want the acronym soup (LGBTQIAPQO2ZOMGWTFetc) of the queer community to be improved. I like QUILTBAG, but even that isn’t perfect/doesn’t include everybody. GSM (Gender and Sexual/Sex Minorities) seems the most inclusive to me, and – also! -has the benefit of brevity. Plus, it’s an opt-in system where you don’t HAVE to identify yourself as GSM if you don’t feel like you are one.

    Also, this article is helping me realize that there are issues out there that I am passionate about that do not *directly* relate to my own experiences. I may be trans*, genderqueer, mostly gay, bi-identifying, used-to-feel-sort-of-lesbian, etc. – but I really care about intersex and asexual visibility and education, and I am not either of those things. (Re: asexuality: not even close. But it’s fascinating and deserves respect/compassion/visibility.)

    Personal question for Claudia that you absolutely do not have to answer: do you ever find yourself wishing for accurate/non-exploitative/any representation of people with bodies like yours in porn/erotica? I know that this is something that a lot of GSM/queer people seek, and is something that I am interested in as a queer trans* person. Like, I am overjoyed that there is sexy trans fan fiction out there and I am an unapologetic James Darling fanboy. I hope this does not feel too invasive, and if it does, I apologize and, like I said, you do not have to answer (not that you need my permission, obviously).

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  87. Episode – 2013 February 26th - Unofficial Network

    [...] PorcFest sponsorship :: Being gay and Jewish in New Hampshire :: Frats raises 13,000 for trans brother’s top surgery :: The NAP and objective moraliy :: The morality quiz :: Terms for trans genitalia :: Penis Jr. :: Surviving NH winters :: Keenevetion 2013 :: ‘Tod and the Book of Pure Evil’ :: Claudia is intersex [...]

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