Have you, too, been missing your regular doses of our faithful defenders Olson and Boies? Since they made an appearance in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals nine months ago, things have been a little quiet on the Prop 8 front.
Sure, we’ve had some peripheral issues under consideration. Just last week, Judge Ware (who replaced Judge Walker upon retirement) was asked to consider whether the tapes of the trial should be released. And earlier this summer, Judge Ware confirmed that straight white men aren’t the only people qualified to be judges/make decisions about our country.
But the last time we were discussing the substance of the case it was still 2010. Congress was weeks away from voting to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. No one would have dreamed that the Obama administration would stop defending DOMA. Marriage equality in New York was still just a dream. It was a completely different world.
The court system is slow.
Today, we return to the substance of the case.
Olson and Boies will appear before the California Supreme Court arguing about terribly important procedural matters. Remember when Judge Walker issued his 138-page opinion on how we don’t fuck up kids and we won’t keep the heteros from marrying and gay marriage is better for cities and better for the world? If you need a dose of reassurance or to feel good about the world, go read that again. Today’s arguments are not going to make you feel that way.
Instead, the California Supreme Court will be weighing in on what might seem like a mere legal technicality. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has asked the California Supreme Court to answer a very specific question about the rights of the Protect Marriage folks to continue with the case. Specifically, the Ninth Circuit wants to know whether, under California law, the official proponents of an initiative measure have an interest that allows them to defend the initiative when the state chooses not to do so.
If this seems less interesting than, say, the pervasive history of discrimination against gay and lesbians, that’s because it is. No one likes the procedural technicalities of the courtroom. But the fact is, the future of the case turns upon this question.
Why does this matter?
Federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction; as a Constitutional matter, they are only allowed to hear certain kinds of cases, and only when these cases are pursued by parties with a sufficient connection to the case. Before the Ninth Circuit can consider the substance of the case, the Court must first determine whether those challenging Judge Walker’s decision even have a right to be in the courtroom. Or in legal terminology, whether the appellants have standing. If the appellants don’t have standing, there is no case. Which is to say, if Protect Marriage doesn’t have a right to challenge Judge Walker’s decision, there is no appeal and Judge Walker’s decision will stand.
So before the Ninth Circuit can consider whether Judge Walker ruled properly, the Court must first determine whether Protect Marriage is entitled to pursue the case.
Who has standing?
Generally state officials defend state laws. As representatives of the people, state officials have standing to defend the people’s laws. In this case, though, both Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown declined to defend Prop 8. Since California declined to defend the law, Protect Marriage stepped in to defend the law before Judge Walker. When they lost, they appealed the decision to the Ninth Circuit.
However, it is unclear whether Protect Marriage has legal standing to defend Prop 8.
Back in 1997, in the case of Arizonans for Official English v. Arizona, the Supreme Court expressed “grave doubts” about whether the sponsors of a ballot initiative have standing to defend the initiative when Constitutionally challenged. But at the time, the Court also reprimanded the Ninth Circuit, saying that “more respectful consideration should have been given to the Attorney General’s requests to seek, through certification, an authoritative construction of the [law] from the State Supreme Court.”
In essence, that is what is happening today. The Ninth Circuit asked the California Supreme Court to answer a two specific questions about California laws to help determine whether Protect Marriage has standing. If the California Supreme Court determines that Protect Marriage has either “the authority to assert the State’s interest,” or a “particularized interest in the initiative’s validity,” the Ninth Circuit could find that the ballot proponents have standing and the appeal could continue. If the California Supreme Court finds neither, it is unlikely that the Ninth Circuit will find that Protect Marriage has standing, either.
This case could have implications for ballot initiatives in general, and whether the sponsors of those initiatives have standing to defend them across the board. Since ballot initiatives are considered questionable practice by many, since they represent only popular opinion and often turn out to the disadvantage of minority groups, some consider this a good thing. Others worry that in cases like this, where the Governor and Attorney General have refused to defend the initiative, it gives the state an unintended option to “effectively veto” initiatives that they don’t like.
So what should we hope for, today?
Quite honestly, it’s impossible to say. Some people, like Santa Clara University professor and expert on the State Supreme Court Gerald Uelman, think that Protect Marriage’s chances of being granted standing might be good.
The current court, which is moderately conservative, “hasn’t put any reasonable limits” on initiatives and gives them “every benefit of every doubt,” Uelmen said. From the court’s perspective, “it would just be unacceptable to permit a total nullification of an initiative by virtue of the attorney general’s refusal to defend it,” he said.
Others say there’s no way to know.
If Protect Marriage does not have standing to continue the appeal, the case is over. Proposition 8 will be dead. California will have marriage equality, once again.
But if the case cannot continue, the results end in California. The U.S. Supreme Court will not have this opportunity to decide whether marriage equality is constitutionality required, and we will have to keep fighting this battle state by state. (At the same time, the Supreme Court will not have the opportunity to decide that marriage equality is not constitutionally required, which could set us back years in this fight).
So for now, we wait. And hope for the best, whatever that may be.
(You can also check in with Prop 8 Trial Tracker all day today for coverage of the hearing, which will begin at 8:30 AM PST.)
Raise your middle finger to a Christianist bigot today!
Wow, what an ignorant statement. Having a belief, such as this isn’t bigotry per se. What about freedom of religion? We believe what the Bible says. Bye the way, “christianist”
isn’t a word!
Er, actually “Christianist” is a word, look it up. By the way, I think you mean “by” not “bye”.
I believe she specified bigots. But clearly your reading comprehension skills aren’t the greatest if you’ve read the bible and STILL believe that horseshit.
And I think this fits the definition of bigotry quite well.
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
I’ve heard this quite a bit lately; the “I’m not a bigot, everyone is just intolerant of my personal religious beliefs” defense. I call bullshit.
Not all bigots are Christians, and not all Christians are bigots. In fact a majority (!!!) of non-fundamentalists support gay marriage: http://jezebel.com/5835789/poll-shows-many-religious-groups-support-gay-marriage
The strongest and most vocal (and powerful) opponents are invariably christian (/religious) though and there’s no way around that. In fact the problem that the Prop 8 defense had in making their case was that it’s built entirely on religious pretext. They couldn’t produce one single, real life piece of evidence that gay marriage would in any way damage children/society/the flag/the dolphins/people on pogo sticks. Their objection was ‘God dun’ make no Adam and Steve’. So please don’t tell me that the problem doesn’t lie with religion. It always has.
FlexSF did say Christianist, which is kind of a different thing, though.
I’m fed up with “christians” using the bible as an excuse for their bigotry. Christians want to practice religious freedom while taking away freedoms from other groups of people. I don’t believe in God but that doesn’t give me permission to be hateful. Until I see people following the bible word for word (including selling your daughters and stoning disobedient children) the argument “we’re following the bible” is just selective bigotry.
I’m torn. One in the hand is worth two in the bush. But SCOTUS finally deciding on DOMA is so tempting…
and now we wait. Verdict should come before the first week in December — 90 days from today or earlier.
I’d be overjoyed to have California’s marriage equality back ASAP, but on the other hand the idea of this going all the way to the Supreme Court and Team Totally Right winning is the shiniest goldenest most awesomest idea ever…except for the part where we could lose. I dunno. This is scary/amazing at the same time.
Yeah, as I recall, when the case was first proposed, most of the major advocacy organizations thought it too early. They got on board only when it became apparent the case was happening, so they really had no other choice.
As much as it seems like many things are going well for us (which is to say that we couldn’t have asked for a more beautiful opinion than the one crafted by Judge Walker), there’s a very real chance that we’ll lose at the Supreme Court. And that could set the country back by years, if not decades. It’s a huge risk.
If you don’t risk anything, you risk everything.
The country is already years behind Canada, Spain, South Africa, Argentina, Belgium, etc anyway…
Bring on Scalia, that immortal bastard
I dunno what’s better really. There’s a very real chance that if it went to SCOTUS they’d find that there is no constitutional right to gay marriage – as I recall there was considerable disquiet about this lawsuit being “too early” when Olson and Boies first filed it. So, there’s a good argument that “cashing out” with gay marriage being restored in CA is a better outcome than “rolling the dice” on Justice Kennedy et al.
Am I mistaken but isn’t this that website that promoted sleeping with males as that unspoken “Sweet Taboo”? Thus invalidating lesbian and gay standing by inferring that heterosexuality trumps all? Now you are writing about prop 8? Are you serious? Make up your mind, you cannot have both. Lesbians don’t want bisexual women, and bisexual women seem to only have primary relationships with males.
don’t feed the troll people, ignore and move on
(i think she’s mistaken)
I’m shivering with antici……………………………………………………….pation!
Cross your fingers guys!