We are in a theater looking at a stage and on that stage are three women:
Our moderator Kim Severson (we’ve been told she’s a lesbian and a New York Times food writer), Ilene Chaiken (the writer, executive producer and creator of Showtime’s hit series The L Word)– and Jennifer Beals, the actress from The L Word.
Beals, in a sharp black suit, is stunning. She’s humble, intelligent, well-spoken, honest and brave. She exudes a perfection so engaging that we sometimes felt a halo was about to spring from her ears. This halo would consequently emanate a soothing, healing radiant glow that would enlighten the audience and enable world peace.
Ilene, wearing adolescent-y wedge-heeled black boots, is nothing like Jennifer. She vacillates aggressively within a Venn Diagram of confidently stated hypocrisies.
Ilene is snappish yet intensely self-satisfied — which could be a result of nervousness, or something else. She exudes a hubris so misapplied that we sometimes felt a trap door was about to open beneath her chair. [Simultaneously Beals would elevate to the brightest ring of angels around heaven].
Kim Severson was on point from the get-go. Her first question: “What the hell?“
Chaiken consistently employs entry-level HR linguistic slights-of-hand to evade or redirect questions and conversations. However, much of the audience seemed receptive to Chaiken. [Luckily we were drunkity drunk drunk!] But I respect Jennifer for the mature, careful relationship her and Ilene appear to have — it works. It’s good, I think.
The Entrance (from dear nycnicole)
Kim Severson was on point from the get-go. Her first question: “What the hell?”
Chaiken’s response was, as it’s always been; “Real life doesn’t have resolutions …”
I’d barely uttered “That’s why we watch TV,” under my breath before Severson said just that! Ilene clumsily pirouetted onward, dodging questions about her bad choices with Chaikenisms : “We’re here to tell good stories,” “Real life is unresolved,” “we have changed the world,” “We are the champions, my friend [Start EZ Girl Remix of Queen’s “We are the Champions“],” and “I wanna tell good stories and entertain people.” We also got a few: “If we didn’t incite controversy and spark conversation, then we wouldn’t have been on the air for six seasons.”— good riddance and so forth.]
Ilene’s repeated and near-obsessive mentions of this potential pipe dream were emblematic of Chaiken’s most apparent personality trait: neediness. The movie sealed our attention, and from that point on we were comfortable sailing along the illusory river of words, led by a benevolent captain soaring aimlessly forward. Though she keeps a few crewmen within shouting distance and will entertain a pirate for a minute or two, she’s pretty confident she’s got this shit on lockdown, and we will be in Tijiuana before nightfall. Her answers grew progressively obtuse while her defensiveness puffed up around her. She emoted Biblically. [Editor’s Note: All these quotes are approximate, I took notes but didn’t have a recorder. I’ll correct them in the future when I can get a transcript]
Kim: “Do you think lesbians eat their own? You took a lot of hits from the critics.”
IFC: “People will always have something to yell about, and that’s part of what we do as storytellers … you know, the Jenny character was Jewish, and then people got upset at me that I made the Jewish character crazy! There will always be something to ignite controversy and start conversations.”
Kim: “Wasn’t that character based on you?”
“When Ilene said the show wasn’t political,” Beals explained, deeply invested, “I thought — well, the personal is political … even thinking if there’s one girl in the middle of nowhere who can see herself reflected and … know that she’s beautiful. Giving someone the opportunity to be authentic is just wonderful.”
Jennifer got teary a lot.
This makes us love her more.
Jennifer was direct, unapologetic and readily emotive whether she was discussing her outrage over a woman assaulted in the woods where she goes running or thanking the fans for all their support.
Jennifer Beals is one of those heterosexual women we’re lucky to have so firmly and proudly on our side. “I see homophobia as a form of misogyny,” Jennifer said. “I see how all women are connected, gay and straight, because we are all repressed or repress ourselves in some way.”
Audience: “What happened to Marina?”
J-Beals: [laughing] “Why did Dana die? Why was Tina raped by her sister? I mean — what?!”
On the topic of Season Six and her issues with it, Beals admitted she was opposed to the “dark” plotline and that it was the first season where she and Ilene frequently butted heads. Beals explained that she’d get through these bad scenes by remembering, “I’m there — my job as an actress is to serve the story. So I really had to do my best to serve the story, and focus on doing that, but with the final season I just didn’t think it did these women justice. It should’ve celebrated these women’s lives instead. I would do the scenes and then go to my trailer and yell WHYYY???”
However in general she felt “heard” by the writing team and despite some “gross inconsistencies” that many actors on the show were challenged by from time to time, she felt Bette was a good strong character. Furthermore, Jennifer carries Bette Porter inside her always.
Jennifer and Ilene both said that they feel proud of the work they did that enabled other women to come online, meet each other and start to tell their own stories. They feel blessed to have made that happen.
Audience: “What did you think of Laurel’s speech at the Bravo A-List Awards?”
J-Beals: “I didn’t see it, I’m always the last one to see everything … what happened? [is filled in on Laurel saying TV is getting progressive if she can win an award for sitting on Jennifer’s face.] “Oh, she’s a witty gal, isn’t she.”
Beals discussed her hesitance when filming the first love scene for the pilot and her concern at the time that she would be revealed as an “ugly heterosexual person” who didn’t know what she was doing. Beals then explained how she got through the scene by focusing on the emotions as universal — that’s the real heart of it, after all.
I swear I heard women gasping breathlessly during this particular discussion. I may have said “OMG, I want to see someone orgasm in their pants right now.” I may have been really annoying to sit close to.
Kim: “Let’s talk about the clothes.”
J-Beals, in amazing funny voice: “That’s what I miss the most.”
Bette shared an anecdote about a recent shoot where the director promised not linger too long on her breasts during a scripted scan and she said “Honey, I’ve done The L Word. Linger wherever you want to linger.” After all, “sexuality is sexuality.”
Kim: “Who killed Jenny? I mean — did you even have an idea in your head?”
IFC: “Let’s go back to the last question.”
Ilene dodged political responsibility but gladly stepped up to say that she “changed the world.” Kim, scowling and nearly rolling her eyes, said: “Yeah, you did. You did.” At this point I was also slightly in love with Kim the moderator, I might start reading about food in The New York Times now.
The World According to Ilene:
Reason OurChart folded – CBS (who she loves dearly for letting her do the show) somehow ruined OurChart. Details remain foggy.
Why did Dana die – ‘Cause people die in real life.
Why did all these other characters disappear? – These are complicated decisions — business decisions — that you cannot understand.
Reason there are no new lesbian shows – Because of the economy. Because Ilene already made one and one is enough. Because Ilene happened to seize upon the grand moment and now we are in a cultural desert which makes her sad.
Why did you ___? – What’s that? A Bird? We tell stories! Hey! Look at the possible movie! It’s dancing! There will be lesbians! No plans, but look at the possibility! It glows, just like Jennifer’s face!
What the hell is going on with the Interrogation Tapes: Ilene “wanted to address telling stories and answering questions and [they] didn’t have enough time to tell all those stories” during the show’s run. [!!!]
Who Killed Jenny? Ilene deflects. Someone in the audience yells “Ilene Chaiken!”
Is Writing Collaborative? Yes, but The Chaiken is solitary. But as the seasons have rolled on, more and more people have come to her with objections and “more often than not the other ideas were better than mine.”
For the last half hour the audience could ask questions, but most of the people who stepped up to the mic wanted to talk about their feelings and then ask questions, which was cute but also time-consuming. Except for the lovely rep from Tibette.com who got right to the point, that’s how you do it ladies. I wrote “OMG TIBETTE.COM HAS SENT A REPRESENTATIVE” in all caps in my notebook.
From my notebook, before the show: “We’re very wet and on the train. I hope this train is gong to Lezzie-Town. Alex is drinking sakè from a water bottle. There is rain in our hair. I hope something crazy happens, like a catfight. I’m going into this now how I went into the show — emotionally prepared for spot-on drama & comedy but knowing deep down inside how unlikely it is that the show will affect me with all I am ready to bare. This sake is turning the roof of my mouth into styrofoam. Hi-ho, High-Ho, it’s off to Ilene we go.”
Someone asked about the Interrogation tapes and if they could go on indefinitely. That would be like me asking if the dance marathon dance-off could go on indefinitely, except the opposite of that. I was confused, and a little bit scared. No one understood the question. Beals hadn’t seen hers.
Every time Jennifer spoke, the room hummed with positive energy. Jennifer is putting together a photography book to get some money into charity causes. She is so perfect. She is up there with Rachel Maddow in the Realm of Perfect Humans.
Jennifer Beals: “I did a triathlon –”
[audience explodes into applause]
Kim: “And one time, she had breakfast!” [to Jennifer:] “They adore you!”
Ultimately, I can say that this show did one thing right: it assembled a marvelous cast who breathed life into occasionally fantastic and often mediocre material and it told women’s stories. Beals noted that prior to TLW, she’d never seen so many multi-dimensional female characters who weren’t written as romantic or otherwise complements to a more complicated male. She said: “Love is very important but it’s not the only story — well, perhaps it is the only story, because everything we do is for a kind of love — love for work, love for family … but the love between a woman and her man is not the only story for a woman to tell.”
And The L Word told women’s stories no better or worse than most TV shows out there. As a show for women, it did an exceptional thing. We feel there’ve been so many talented people waiting so long to have a voice — and so many other women ready to be a part of that unveiling — that there could’ve been more — something better.
Afterward, Alex and I discussed how we both felt anxiety when Ilene was vaguely (during the OurChart convo) suggesting that something else like OC would be in the works at some point. I don’t think she meant it, she says a lot of strange things. I think we need new storytellers now and clearly there are brilliant artists out there ready to bring those words and dreams to life.
So we’ll plod on valiantly here with making our collective collaborative dreams come true — focusing on the business end, a major redesign and charting the expanses of our aspirations — and hopefully we’ll do so full of conviction and sunshine. Because we know that there are so many bright women who are open to their stories being told — and ready for it! We know that the beauty, in patches, still shines through the vacant lot that housed the set where Jenny moved in with her boyfriend, Tina was ovulating, Dana didn’t want her fans to know she was a gay lady and Shane liked Lacey a lot, but she liked a lot of people.
We like all of you. We liked that show, but we like a lot of things. We like a lot of things a lot more than we liked that show.
So … let’s do it! The future is as bright as Jennifer Beals’ personality. Trust me.
Late Add! Click here to see our before-the-show thoughts ON VIDEO: pre-ilene
I didn’t even know Tina was molested. I thought I had seen every episode.
J. Beals sounds like a goddess. Chaiken, not so much.
it was in her interrogation tape. So even if you saw every episode you wouldnt catch it.
Fabulous job, riese. i almost feel like I was there. Although im kind of glad I wasn’t? but kind of sad, too. its like the age old battle between good and evil up there! the angel and the spawn of satan. yeeaaahhh.
Wow…what a re-cap!
It doesn’t suprise me that JB is a wonderful, funny, humble human being – and that’s hillarious how she responded to Laurel Holloman’s “sitting on Jennifer’s face” acceptance speech at the A List awards comment- hehe – she’s probably gonna phone her and be like – WHAT THE, WHAT THE???
Jennifer sounds like a humble, likeable wonderful actress and she exuded that emotion into Bette Porter – even the feisty angry perturbed Bette….a la JB…but yet, still nice you know?
Like I’m sure we all wouldn’t mind a JB bitch slap ya know? It would probably be all fuzzy and warm and awesome somehow…LOL.
Ilene or IFC, sounds like a dufus – a nob – an egomaniacal despot. A draconian dictator…the deep pit before which one falls into with a plethora of hubris…
OK, I must stop.
IFC – doesn’t suprise me she is high on herself and thinks she’s all that – doesn’t she realize:
1) She did not solely come up with the L Word idea, but that it was a collaborative effort which she stiffed 2 major fellow creators out of?
2) Now that we know all that, we think she’s a loser?
3) That the writers and stories and actors all made the show great….?
4) That the over-casting and mass unexplained exodus of actors and dying out of half-hearted and unfinished storylines did NOT make the show better?
5) That the last good anything in the show was Season 5
6) That her own actors who were PAID to say nice things about her HATED SEASON 6? And so did the fans and now they hate her stupid ending?
7) That enticing us with false hopes of an L Word movie is like asking a lesbian if they like dyck? (No offense to the bi-sexuals)…
8) That JB, as nice as she is, basically said “phluck you!” to IFC on stage…and she is one of the NICE actors???
9) That IFC is NEVER EVER gonna get work again via Showtime, or even gay-friendly Bravo, or HELL even WB or Fox?
10) That everything that was GOOD about the L WORD left with the wonderful actors and actresses who brought the characters to life and with the actual GOOD writers who were probably also shafted and fired by IFC?
11) That the music went into the shitter for the L Word after IFC fired the actual musical director and instead put f’ing Betty and EZ-Girl in charge?
12) That the actors and actresses are glad to be rid of L Word and be gone and movin’ on?
13) That the fans all think IFC is a tool?
14) That the fans don’t admire IFC like IFC does?
15) Does IFC actually have any fans? NOT!
Thank you Riese and company for the wonderful re-caps, the insightful and colourful commentary and oh lord, I hope that the Ti-Betters actually asked something super cool and it’s posted later…
And last, but not least, I’d hope Riese et al get a one on one with JB or Laurel or Erin or Kate or Leisha or whoever and their actual thoughts about L Word, IFC, and last season are actually posted….and what direction they would’ve LIKED to have seen it go – rather than how it actually went….
Good job, girls – ok off to bed now…..zzzzzz.
You should be reminded, you don’t speak for everyone. Some of us are really grateful that Ilene created the LWord and gave us wonderful characters and six great years of entertainment, starring lesbian women who we’ve come to love. If you want and LWord movie, join with the OC refugees Lezhttp://xandrasplace.com/lezgarter.html Garter campaign.
Oh dang one more thing!
The fact that JB said that she focused on teh emotion of the TiBette relationship to make it genuine and real as a lesbian relationship – TOTALLY makes me admire her more and endears her more to me as a TiBette fan – JB Rocks!
Riese, your re-cap made me LMFAO and it’s 2:30 a.m…..hope the housemates don’t think I’m crazy…
“They think you’re moody, make ’em think you’re crazy. Make ’em think you might snap. They say you got attitude, you show ’em some real attitude.” -Harry, “Pump up the Volume”
“I may have been really annoying to sit close to.”
I’m glad I wasn’t there, but if I had to attend I’d hope I’d be sitting close to someone like you, making it all a little more entertaining and bearable…
ha. which was exactly my idea and I’m glad I did haha, at least I had someone else to laugh at innappropriate times with haha
Excellent! Thank you!
This is aces.
This is great journalism. Can more articles be written with the same sense of humor and honesty? Thanks for taking the time to this, Riese. I’m thoroughly entertained.
How can IC be so clueless? Maybe she isn’t…maybe she cries at night over the way she is perceived. Who the fuck knows? What I do know is that fans and people in general are very forgiving IF there is some accountability on the part of the person who has fucked things up. If IC could even admit that things didn’t work out well all the time, that there were mistakes, that she did anything wrong – I could give her a break. But she never really has and it’s too late to do it now. I would love to hear from all of the actresses now that they are free.
Well done Team Autostraddle!
Yeah! She’s kind of like George Bush in that way. Flat out refuses to accept any responsibility for anything EVER.
to hear her tell it, she’s done absolutely nothing wrong and we should, in fact, be showering her with grapes and babies for bringing us this show in the first place. where is our undying gratitude and blind faith, you guysss?? don’t question the Chaik!
I know I always try to be cautious and not compare IFC to GW, but their communication styles are identical. (Sarah Palin has a similar style, though she actually tries to sound friendly (and fails, but she tries) and never gets blatantly aggressive) It feels indulgent because obvs she’s not responsible for anyone’s death besides Jenny and Dana, and you know, no hundreds of Iraqis or anything.
But that’s gotta be like a whole new language they’re making up.
I was following your twitters till I fell into unconsciousness. I was surprised that more people weren’t hostile to IFC! Saddened that you guys weren’t drunk enough to throw a boot and yes, the future is bright.
Why does IFC even go out in public anymore? I mean, it has to be unbelievably awkward and embarrassing at this point.
Did anybody ask about the Farm? Or was that too much like beating a dead horse?
I love that moderator.
this was brilliant, riese — thank you! i almost feel sorry for IC. but i think delusional people probably sleep perfectly well at night, so nevermind.
best: “…the possibility of The L Word movie — she put it on the table like a music box, a thing she could shake and play if we ever got unruly.”
Great recap. Definitely a good way to remember the night. Not gonna lie, it’s cool to see my question [about Laurel’s speech at the A-List awards] mentioned here.
The best part of this entire thing is when Chaiken said, “I changed culture in America. I did!”
The fact that anyone could ever think this makes me think they are stupid beyond belief. One person can’t solely be responsible for such a change. Its arrogant and irresponsible for one to even think it, let alone to believe it and express it openly without any reservation.
Also…. I feel like you should attend stuff like this more often when drunk. It makes Autumn happy.
I know this may surprise you, but Team Autostraddle tends to attend most events drunk.
Excellent recap. Thanks, Riese. It’s a wonder how Jennifer works with someone as different as Chaiken, but then again, she’s perfect, so we should expect no less.
my number 2 feeling is ilene chaiken needs some serious therapy.
my number 1 feeling is being ilene chaiken’s therapist would be the worst job in the history of the world.
and riese, i’m with natazzzz, you’re the kind of person i hope and pray i will end up sitting next to.
This is awesome. If you two really took the monkeys and pressed them when IC said something insane, you’d be my heroines forevs! If not, then that would have been amazing to see in person and I’m glad you didn’t cause then I’d be really sad I missed it…am I making sense? I don’t think I am…
The second we have a new show to compare to the L Word and she has some competition, she’ll get down off her crazy pedestal and hopefully eat some humble pie.
Though any new show will never compare just cuz L was the first and the characters were/are so loved. Damn, she’ll always have that and she knows it…
“She needs attention. Any kind of attention. She mentioned the movie to seal our attention and from that point she felt confident sailing along her illusory river of words. ”
Sounds like Jenny. Cue eye roll.
“I would do the scenes and then go to my trailer and yell WHYYY???”
And I would watch the scenes and then go to my room and yell ‘WTF ILENE!'”
Thanks for the coverage. Makes me wish I could have been there to see Jennifer Beals.
“Alex is drinking sakè from a water bottle.”
And that somehow made my day.
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Riese, do you think you could just cover every news item ever? I’d be so much more up-to-date on current events if you did. Hilarious as per ushe.
I’m so hopelessly in love with Jennifer Beals, much as I try to move on. That woman is beautiful in every way. And, hello! English major (from Yale no less)! I can’t help but be attracted to that.
I concur with you and others that Ilene Chaiken is profoundly screwed up as a person. She is frantically trying to rationalize her own behavior/beliefs by projecting them onto her characters. If we were all as warped as she was, maybe we wouldn’t be going “OMGWTF?!” so much while watching TLW or listening to her speak.
“Beals noted that prior to TLW, she’d never seen so many multi-dimensional female characters who weren’t written as romantic or otherwise complements to a more complicated male.” *cough*BUFFYTHEVAMPIRESLAYER*cough*.
We are the OC refugees wanting more L word stories…A movie would be great and a wedding would be appropriate. Check us out for visibilty and Equalty to prevail
i change the world on the reg, she’s only changed it once.
HEY! i TOTALLY did not spill my feelings when I asked JBeals about being biracial!! GOD!!!
besides that, i think you covered every moment worth noting. i also loved when jennifer went, “GAH!” and messed up her hair after she said she read about someone criticizing her haircut. LOVED IT.
PS- I confess that i saw you there but was way too starstruck to say anything! i hate myself!!
I totally remember your question, I actually thought about that, like I remember someone asked a good question about the biracial thing, which I actually paid attention to, which might be why I didn’t um, write anything down about it.
I also did not write down the part about the hair but I totally remember it, someone said she looked like a soccer mom.
also it’s okay, i hate myself too.
Actually, IFC, LESBIANS changed culture in America – you didn’t!
SOOOOOOOO had to post that – off to see the Canucks kill St. Louis in Game 4…..
Go Canucks, Go!
I loved your article. Esp. the description of JB! I hope she sees it, think she would get a kick out of it. (her halo & all) Is she not the best?? She speaks from her heart & seems so spiritual and calm. My God did she get herself a huge fan base with the remarkable way she portrayed Bette. She totally resurrected herself. Thank you for the post.
Aw, this was a great report.
I was the rep from Tibette.com, so thank you very much for the compliment! I was nervous that I had fumbled a bit and pissed them off when I asked if I could ask another question, but like you pointed out, I didn’t waste time telling my life story, so I thought that the extra question would be okay.
Oh, it was totally okay. You were the cutest question-asker in my opinion. Also, your questions were good you know? Thanks for stopping by to comment :)
“She “wanted to address telling stories and answering questions and [they] didn’t have enough time to tell all those stories” during the show’s run.”
“Telling stories” should always take a backseat to exposition at/about/involving-in-even-the-vaguest-manner-possible parties. I believe this is, in fact, taught in most upper-level creative writing courses.
I almost choked from laughing on all your crazy comments on IC!! My god, you are so wicked and yet so f**** funny! Love it.
And I will not be very original by saying that JB is an absolute goddess. She is so inspiring to me. Not to mention I could definitely turn gay for that girl…
Well ok maybe not…. but still she is fabulous!!!
Cheers from France and thanks for sharing your great report.
Riese- on “I may have been really annoying to sit close to.”…from your videos, it looks like i was sitting right in front of you that night, but to be quite honest, with JB in the room, i think everyone’s ears were tuned in to just her!!! Crazy how silent we all were the moment she opened her mouth to speak. Stunning, amazingly brilliant, honest, and humble just added to her “halo”….She wasn’t afraid to step up and disagree, and what was best is that you can see the sincerity in her words by the way she spoke. It is so hard to find people, yet alone actors who have the same passion in their work, values, and self. Damn it, she IS that perfect huh?!?!
Wow Riese, where did you get those clearly professionally shot videos? haha
Well the recap is obviously fantastic, glad I was able to see the work in progress… such as the all caps written response to the tibette.com rep haha, written with such emotion…
I’m going to also pretend that maybe some of these commenters ventured onto the site because of the cards I handed out after the event, because then I’ll feel as though I contributed something haha
Thanks again Riese and Alex for making that event more entertaining for me – although I am disappointed there were no monkeys now after seeing the video, maybe another time?
Oh,this was hilarious! Still ,she keeps repeating the ” I did the cancer storyline as a representation of reality” !!!
Everytime , and I mean everytime she said that my blood begins to boil! She really doesn’t know what she is talking about…
But the saddest thing is that it seems a lot of people have no problem with it and buy this explanation!
Yet at the same time they are disappointed by the finale. I mean , what did they expect? They should take everything this show gives them ,well because there isn’t always a happy ending ,people commit suicide , there is no redention and life very often tears apart ! Life is a bitch folks! Take that , they let her go with this excuse for the cancer story , so why not accept it now? Because they didn’t have cancer so since it wasn’t something theirs it was different?
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In whose world is Jennifer Beals a perfect woman? HMmmmm? Don’t tell me you’ve all been brainwashed by the incessant hype that Beals had Chaiken conjure up on a weekly basis with the writers alluding to her beauty. If someone is truly breathtakenly beautiful you don’t need t repeated in the script on a weekly basis.
It’s common knowledge that cast members who challenged Jennifer Beals popularity on the LWord were fired starting with Karina Lombard then Erin Daniels, Kristanna Loken, Sara Shahi. That is why when a fan asked Ilene Chaiken why Karina Lombard’s character of Marina Ferrer was let go Beals became visibley agitated.
But who is a beautiful actress who is also biracial and played a lesbian in a way that Jennifer Beals could only hope for? Lisa Ray also known as Lisa Rani Ray. Ray’s portrayals of lesbians in the films: The World Unseen and I Can’t Think Straight showed her to be compassionate, breaking the baerriers not only of Lesbians but also Arab and Suotheast Asian women.
So let;s get a clue ladies. Jennifer Beals is NOT a perfect human being and if Lisa Ray had a role on the L Word I can gaurantee that Beals woulld have had her fired as well. Visit my site for more info.
Interesting comments to scroll through. Nonetheless, come on girls! Do we have to get all nasty about Ilene? Or even Beals? It was a pioneering show, and despite some of your dislike for Chaiken, she did p I o n e e r this show, If not for L Word, the world will not get that much exposure to lesbianism in positive light. Let’s skip the nasty comments and focus on the positiveness of the individuals responsible for conjuring such an amazing show? I.e. Chaiken.
Well, I think one can safely say Autostraddle is off Ilene Chaiken’s christmas card list. LOL, nice article.
“Ilene dodged political responsibility but gladly stepped up to say that she “changed the world.””
Did she REALLY say this? I’d like to think you’re being sardonic… but you’re not are you? Oh my, Ilene really did take the blue pill.
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