I Was Trained for the Culture Wars in Home School, Awaiting Someone Like Mike Pence as a Messiah

I was working the polls on election day, handing people ballots and explaining how to fill them out properly. I made it my mission to come up with interesting uses for the removable tabs and entertain people for the 30 seconds that I had their captive attention. When 7 pm hit, people came in looking grim. “Did you hear about the polls?” they’d ask. “No,” I said, “but don’t tell me, I need to get through the next hour.” I guarded my polling location from news of what was happening because we still had to close – I still had to close – and needed to be able to focus without dealing with the sheer terror of reality.

I checked Twitter as I got in my Lyft back home. Shock bombarded and horror filled me as I scrolled through my timeline. I hoped the panic would vanish once the CA votes were counted. It didn’t. Slowly the new reality set in – the one where I wake up horrified and lose more of my basic human rights every day. The one where I wake up and am reminded that I was prepared for this, I saw this coming, I know what’s happening.

I grew up in the far-right evangelical conservative (Christofascist) movement; specifically, I was homeschooled and my parents were part of a subculture called Quiverfull, whose aim is to outbreed everyone for Jesus. I spent my teen years being a political activist. I was taught by every pastor I encountered that it was our job as Christians to outbreed the secularists (anyone not a far-right evangelical Protestant) and take over the government through sheer numbers. I was part of TeenPact, Generation Joshua and my local Teenage Republicans (TARS).

When the Tea Party rose in 2009, that was my culture. The Tea Party was step one. I was laying the groundwork for those elections in 2006. These people didn’t come out of the blue like it seemed. This plan, this Christofascist takeover of the US government, has been in the works for decades. When evangelical conservatism started becoming popular and more mainstream around the 1970s, the foundation was being laid for the tragedy playing out right now.

Evangelical conservatives started taking over their local republican parties and founding organizations like Operation Rescue, Homeschool Legal Defense Association, Family Research Council and Focus on the Family, just to name a few.

Via hslda.org


Michael Farris founded HSLDA in 1983 as a way to ensure that homeschooling was legal, but what he’s been striving for is the wild west. His organization is trying to keep homeschooling away from any interference so the children he trains through his sister organization, Generation Joshua, would be able to fly under the radar. Generation Joshua started in 2003, primarily catering to children homeschooled by extremely religious rightwing adults. Its purpose was to train us to fight in what the Christofascists have been calling the “Culture Wars.” It’s a loose and ambiguous term that basically means anything or anyone that doesn’t align with this very specific view of Christianity must not be allowed to continue.

Mission statements of GenJ, TeenPact, NCFCA, CFC

How do you do that? Well, you overturn Roe v. Wade, Griswold v. Connecticut, Brown v. Board of Education and Bob Jones v. The United States. Each of these decisions currently protects reproductive rights or non-discrimination based on race. As retribution, you amend the Constitution to discriminate against queers, trans people, women and people of color. Then, you make laws legislating morality. The only way to do this is to infiltrate the government; so Generation Joshua, TeenPact and other organizations exist to indoctrinate and recruit homeschooled youth who have ample free time to participate in politics. The biggest resources for teaching civil discourse are the National Christian Forensics and Communications Association and Communicators for Christ (since renamed Institute for Cultural Communicators). Through these programs we learned how to argue effectively. As students, we were taught critical thinking skills but given only a narrow view of what was acceptable to argue for. We were, after all, being trained to take over the country for Christ, literally. We knew how to perform logical gymnastics about abortion, Christianity and any evangelical talking point you could throw at us.

When we showed up to city council, local political party meetings and tours of the Capitol we asked intelligent questions, were respectful and had a vested interest in how our local political machine ran. We impressed every government official and staff member with our questions, earnesty and demeanor. In short, we were sneaky and polite Trojan horses; we had an agenda. Yes, even as 15-year-olds. It was forcefully handed to us by the adults in our lives who had been preparing for this since before we were born.

I watched the Tea Party takeover and was surprised no one saw it coming. After all, this was part of the plan. Trump being elected is also part of the plan, although not Trump specifically; the true goal is Pence.

Christofascists have been wanting someone like Pence in the White House and, until now, didn’t have a way to get one in. They know Trump is easily manipulated and will change his mind with the wind if it makes him feel more powerful and famous. Trump couldn’t care less about policy, a fact he’s made quite obvious. The Right has given a tyrant power and fame; he will do whatever they want him to do in order to keep it. This way they can sneak Pence in on a piggyback while filling Congress with even more evangelical conservative Republicans. Compared to Trump’s abrasive and terrifying behavior, Pence seems much less threatening. This is not the case. Pence has a proven track record of legalizing discrimination and acting against women and marginalized people. Those of us who didn’t leave the far Right are being elected to federal positions or are taking over states and cities. With Pence in office, even the reasonable-seeming incumbents – who have been and are still at the mercy of the Tea Party – are growing more bold in their attempts to further the Christofascist agenda: To Take Back The Country For Christ.

This was the mantra we heard. This was our mission. This is how we were to win: Outbreed, Outvote, Outactivate. Every class, every event, every pastor or guest speaker reiterated this, choosing to risk the 501c3 status of their church to push their agenda. To take back the country for Christ, we needed to outbreed, outvote and outactivate the other side, thus saith The Lord.

Meanwhile, mainstream Democrats shake their heads in confusion and fundamentally misunderstand the meaning of grassroots organizing, which is where all of this happens. Republicans have a vast network of homeschoolers that HSLDA and others have given them to tap into as a source of free labor. Republicans in state governments are lax on homeschooling oversight because their Get Out The Vote base is made of homeschoolers thanks to Generation Joshua and Teenpact.

Via Generation Joshua

Homeschoolers may make up a small portion of students as a whole, but they are loud, have time and can be activated with one email blast. When HR6 was brought to Congress in 1994, homeschool families realized their power. With an alert from HSLDA, homeschool families flooded the lines of Congress demanding that they exclude private, home and religious schools from the bill. They succeeded. The reach of HSLDA to activate the homeschool community has only grown since then. We are the secret no one knew about and it’s time to come to light. Homeschoolers are a huge reason for the evangelical conservative takeover we’ve seen over the last decade or so; it would be a mistake to write them off.

Self-proclaimed constitutional lawyer Michael Farris, the founder of HSLDA, and revisionist historian David Barton have spent years twisting their interpretation of the U.S. Constitution as some kind of God-breathed document into the minds of parents and their families who will just believe what they say because they’re “Good Christians.” They don’t necessarily practice critical thought, are dissuaded from looking at the Constitution themselves without a law degree and don’t bother to read history from all angles, relying only on the whitewashed Christian versions of the Constitution and our founding.

If you’re thinking that declaring the nation a Christian one and turning into a theocracy is a ludicrous idea that has no basis in our constitution, you’d be correct. However, Christofascists have imbibed this theory and now believe it is their Christian duty to save the country from its secular ways in the name of religious freedom. In this worldview, any non-Christian (including Catholics and Jews) is doomed to eternal torture if they don’t convert. Thus, we are all going to hell in a handbasket if “good Christians” don’t save the country from the liberals who think people should just “do what they want regardless of what God says.” Their religious extremism is worse than any group they fearmonger over, but the irony is lost on them.

Evangelical conservatives are convinced that their agenda will save the country from God-ordained death. Pat Robertson and many others believe that natural disasters are sent from God specifically to punish America for letting marginalized people have rights and be alive. This motivates them to do everything in their power to “save” the country from the ungodly – even, maybe especially – if it involves stripping others of the freedoms they deem to be against God’s wishes. They don’t care if their war for Christ hurts humans they see as living wrongfully, because they are capital “R” Right and that’s what matters. Their Rightness, they believe, comes from God Himself. Their beliefs are callous and without empathy, prioritizing dogma over people. These beliefs are dangerous. Many of us who have come out as queer, trans, or even merely gone to college, have lost family because of this worldview. A single powerful person who is convinced of their own Rightness with no thought of introspection is dangerous. We now have a government full of them.

It is important to understand that they are coming at this from a place of passion and dedication. They have a fire in their bellies. While it looks like a bunch of backwoods hillbillies playing with guns to anyone outside, they are resilient and in it for the long haul. They want America to succeed, but in their America there isn’t room for anyone unlike them. There’s a reason Trump’s mantra stuck despite his deplorable behaviour. They think America was founded on conservative Protestant ideals because that’s what they’ve been fed, because that’s what aligns with their interpretation of the Bible and they will not go down without a fight.

They are scared of anything newer than the 18th century; you can’t logic the fear of change away from people. If you do no research and are instead predisposed to the belief that older is better, it’s easy to think the Puritans were good and wholesome. People wore funny hats, were conservative and hated science. Church was basically mandatory and women weren’t allowed to speak or be autonomous people. These are all comforting things for people who feel as though the world is against them because of their religion, rather than the fact that their views and actions are bigoted, racist and actively harmful to millions of other humans. You cannot be this version of evangelical and not force your beliefs on others. Failing to convert is a failure on you and your dedication to your faith. This religion is based entirely on fear; you can’t argue away a fear so intense that it hardens you to anyone unlike you or your tribe.

They will not be won over with sit-downs and respectability politics. This kind of dogma cannot be reasoned with; it must be fought against. Trying to convince them to come to the other side is a waste of time unless they’ve already started on that journey themselves. The ones in power, actively harming our lives, are past this point. We can only fight back.

The revolution has come and we are the resistance.

Kieryn Darkwater is a blue haired fairy boi you can find making art and being an activist. They spend their time advocating for housing with East Bay Forward and protecting homeschool students as the Tech Director of the Coalition for Responsible Home Education. When they’re not writing, organizing, or otherwise doing activisms, you can find them drawing comics, talking about what HRT is like, learning any new art skill, or playing video games.

Kieryn has written 4 articles for us.


  1. Did the lord also tell you to help elect a president that raped his first wife, cheated on her with his second wife and then cheated on his second wife with his third wife?

    That’s not the jesus I worship

    • Well, Bill Clinton was elected…… He raped numerous women, cheated on his wife Hillary with numerous women. Lied, was brought up for Impeachment over a sexual encounter, and has a trail of dead bodies following him. So Trump’s behavior is mild compared to Clinton’s. Open your eyes because you are being hypocritical.

  2. Thank you, Kieryn, for this, yes terrifying, article. But it also makes sense of everything that has happened.

    I edit for a local blog–EqualityWire–and would be very interested in talking to you in person about this article, if you would be willing.

    Thank you!


  3. I’m a secular homeschooling parent in Texas who was always both grateful to the HSLDA for defending non-interference from the state while also sickened, knowing that kids like you were bearing the brunt of the fruit of those laws. I am so sorry.Thank you for publishing this; I will definitely repost. I do have one question: Isn’t Mike Pence Catholic? How does that figure into his being a dream in the White House, for the evangelical far-right?

    • I’m a Christian – not a Christofascist – who is also a homeschooler, and felt disgusted reading all the things the HSLDL stands for and fights against. It is definitely an organization that does as much harm as it does good.

    • When we homeschooled our children the leaders of our homeschool support group actively taught us to fear the government coming to take our children away for homeschooling them. It definitely worked on me, I was often anxious and afraid that it could happen at any moment. At the time we were part of HSLDA, it was a security blanket for me to help calm my fears. At the time I only viewed it as a group of lawyers working to protect us, had no idea what it was or perhaps what it turned into.

  4. This is exactly it.

    No one has written to lay this out as specifically.

    I would like to see this author publish more and find others to so so.

    The hypocrisy is rich and immoral. They scream about freedom while attempting to take another’s.

  5. Well we will pray for you Kieryn, that you come back to your faith in Christ if you were even born again in the first place. You make it sound that homeschooling is bad, many home schooled kids out score and perform public school kids on scholastic tests.

  6. Matthew 15:9, Mark 7:7 immediately come to mind upon viewing this diatribe. Christianity and conservatism are NOT synonymous with Republican/GOP/Tea Party and certainly not Donald Trump or Mike Pence. The Bible says God is NOT the author or confusion, NOT a respecter of persons and true Christianity undefiled is to obey HIS laws, take care of the fatherless and widows. It also says to care for those without food, clothing, and shelter. We know Christians by their fruit. Mike Pence deliberately left a man proven innocent in prison in Indiana, just last year. Indiana didn’t want him,now the nation has him…and ALEC.

    • Regular Christianity and conservatism aren’t like this, no. What this article discusses is an extremely radical form of cult behavior that claims to be following the Bible, and claims to be Christian, when it clearly isn’t.

      It’s not unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses. I worked with one. As a student of philosophy with an interest in spirituality, I’m interested in learning about people’s faiths from an intellectual standpoint. So, I got to know this JW woman, and at first she just seemed a little odd, but as she revealed more to me, I began to understand that her thinking was twisted badly. So badly, in fact, that I had to pull away from her and put massive distance between us because she was becoming very judgmental of me and I’m hardly worthy of that level of judgment.

      The irony was that she didn’t understand the cognitive dissonance of being employed by a very liberal state university (as a secretary), when her religion (if it can be called that) prohibits its followers from studying past high school and says after high school the only book you’re to read is their truncated version of a Bible. She was over 50 and had not read a book in 30 years. (Astounding to me, a non-stop reader, with a college degree, AND we worked together in the English Department.)

      There are Christians, and many of them are wonderful people who live by the actual message of the Bible. There are conservatives who are quite normal, but just prefer a more traditional set of values.

      Then there are extremists, whose indoctrination is frightening, pernicious, and seemingly impermeable. These domestic terrorists want to infiltrate every aspect of our lives and infect us, and if we won’t assimilate, they’d happily put us down like you would a rabid dog.

      What we need is to know how to properly and successfully fight this, and win.

    • It’s not really important that their actions are out of sync with Christianity as it’s commonly understood. That line of criticism misses the mark. At the core it’s all about men taking control of women. It doesn’t matter whether they take their authority from the Bible, the Koran, the Talmud, the Torah, or the Wall Street Journal. It’s a universal social phenomenon (that should be opposed).

  7. Thank you for this article. This is something we’ve seen for years creeping up. The “God’s Army” from Xtian Universities with names like “Liberty” where they allow no Dem student clubs. The encroachment on Roe V Wade. And now the despicable Pence. People were told the Tea Party was some grass roots development advocating less Govt Spending. And now look. This was like watching a Tornado. We have to fight this AMERICAN TALIBAN. NOW. They will destroy the country.

  8. A friend of mine posted this piece on their page. Read it and then read the rest of this post, which I’m calling: The Anatomy of Bullshit – How to read a Facebook post and know who is really behind the information

    1. Check out the author and their relationships

    2. Go to the website of the non-profit and locate their funding sources by finding their IRS 990 tax forms

    a. Check out their stated policy

    b. Red flag if the tax forms aren’t available on the website

    c. Red flag if the non-profit doesn’t have a quick way to donate

    3. If the tax forms are not available, go to guidestar.org and download their 990 forms
    4. Scroll through the 990 and look for assets and rapid growth year to year.

    5. Examine the 990 for relationships with other non-profits

    6. Go to the website of other affiliated non-profits to see their agenda and founding members

    7. Recognize why the information is being spread

    8. Decide for yourself if you trust this source or not

    Now after you’ve read this boi’s post, let’s dissect together.

    1. The author of this post is Kieryn Darkwater – Tech Director of the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, a San Francisco based non-profit.

    2. The website for the Coalition for Responsible Home Education’s site states that it is a nonprofit organization founded by homeschool alumni to advocate for the interests of homeschooled children.

    a. No 990 forms, red flag

    b. Donation button takes a while to locate. Red flag – this is a well funded operation, indicative of a not for profit funded by major corporations

    3. Guidestar has 990 forms from 2012 through 2015

    4. This home schooling not for profit is very well funded, with rapid growth in assets year to year

    5. The Coalitions 990 tax forms mention that they are funded by a group called Global Business Coalition for Education Inc, a global group with funding in the US, UK, Mexico, India, and the Middle East.

    6. Website for Global Business Coalition for Education Inc. lists the founding members. Founding members include: Accenture, Grupo Carso, Chevron Corporation, Dangote Industries, Discovery Communications, Inc., Econet Wireless Group, GUCCI, Hess Corporation, Intel Corporation, Lenovo Group Limited, McKinsey & Co, Inc., Pearson plc, Reed Smith LLP, Tata Sons Limited and Western Union.

    7. The Coalition for Responsible Home Education is a front group for industries interested in the promotion of their corporate agendas, including pharmaceutical firms, oil companies, technology companies, financial services, and telecommunications.

    8. I don’t trust the writings of activist Kieryn Darkwater. The agenda of a home schooling non profit should not include regulating home schools, forcing vaccinations on home schooled children, HRT – Hormone Replacement Therapy, or the other policies listed on their website.

    And that’s how you approach every other non-profit group in the United States.

      • I was actually starting to think this was a promotion for Guidestar, as your organization is there and does not have the information filled out.

        Funny thing is, if you go by the criteria above, you should not even trust Guidestar, as it is a non-profit, and violates SEVERAL of the aforementioned things that are red flags (Hard to find the 990’s and cannot easily find the donate button).

        Also, there is a huge leap of logic between:

        “6. Website for Global Business Coalition for Education Inc. lists the founding members. Founding members include: Accenture, Grupo Carso, Chevron Corporation, Dangote Industries, Discovery Communications, Inc., Econet Wireless Group, GUCCI, Hess Corporation, Intel Corporation, Lenovo Group Limited, McKinsey & Co, Inc., Pearson plc, Reed Smith LLP, Tata Sons Limited and Western Union.

        7. The Coalition for Responsible Home Education is a front group for industries interested in the promotion of their corporate agendas, including pharmaceutical firms, oil companies, technology companies, financial services, and telecommunications.”

        Thought I should point that out.

    • I also went to Guidestar. I looked for the Coalition for Responsible Home Education. One appeared at the top of the list. It shows them in Canton, Massachusetts, not San Francisco. I tried to go to the web site for Global Business Coalition for Education Inc. My malware scanner blocked the page.

      Instead of speaking directly to Kieryn Darkwater’s statements, you are attacking Kieryn Darkwater with financial information that seems dicey, at best.

      In the meantime, we have no idea who you are or what your agenda might be. I do know that I have heard too many personal accounts of homeschoolers that are just like this to doubt them.

    • It’s common for that kind of information only to be available on request. Go away troll. You are on a need to know basis creeper.

  9. This cult has been organizing and building strategically for decades, and have now taken control of our government.

    Who remembers the “I Found it” campaign of 1977, when the Christofascist cult was advertising for fundamentalists to register into their databases?

    That was the year Jimmy Carter took office, and only three years after Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace from the Presidency.

    The Right plays the “long game” strategically, while the Liberal Left wins an occasional election and puts down its guard in celebration. That is why we have been losing our nation since the 1970s.

  10. (While I was writing this, hundreds of comments were added here—sorry about the anonymous throwaway account. But maybe it’ll still be of use to somebody.)

    Sadly, I can confirm as a former closeted East Texan evangelical, I grew up around some of this :( (not Quiverfulls specifically but related ideologies)

    I’ve been thinking about this a lot though, and I want to disagree with the author and the general sentiment about the impossibility of swaying people away from this kind of thought, because the author and I are both examples of people who have been swayed (although we admittedly both had some major personal motivation, and my indoctrination was not quite as extreme as theirs), because I’ve been able to sway a few people substantially (without much personal motivation, and having being indoctrinated much like this author), and because I think changing peoples’ minds is a critical component of sustainable long-term social change. That said, I don’t think it should be the priority for the moment for most people, nor should most people even attempt it probably, unless they already know these kinds of people personally; it requires individual attention, 1-on-1 time, an intimate understanding of their worldview, and… emotional sacrifices (like being willing to argue from their POV and hold your reactions).

    However, there is a special role available for people like me and the author, who come from backgrounds that let us comprehend and even to some degree empathize with people like this, but who have already learned (many of) the errors of our ways. We are in the fairly unique position of having insider access and insider status and being able to show insider flags (which is frankly quite important if you want to be listened to in these cultures), of having personal experience with changing our minds in the right direction (we hope!), in particular of having personal experience with the mental and emotional trials of overcoming a deeply problematic worldview (which are substantial, though of course the trials are *warranted*), and of having social and emotional ties that sometimes help keep us from the kinds of strong reactions that people tend to get when a stranger says something abhorrent (although friends and relatives saying abhorrent things is of course worse in a lot of ways, and personally I’ve found this somewhat harder to manage over time, esp. with people that are closer to me).

    The process of changing peoples’ minds and changing the culture is slow and ugly and painful, but also, as far as I can tell, critical, esp. when it comes to the more extreme subsets of our society. Kyriarchy needs to be strongly resisted, and for now largely in more traditionally conflict-y ways, but simply fighting and suppressing the huge number of people upholding it is not a sustainable solution. As we’ve seen over and over and over, it causes a backlash, and unfortunately, especially with modern technology and economics, the strength of the backlash is not necessarily in proportion to the (slowly diminishing) number of backlashers. In particular, the highly-visible (to conservatives) “liberalization” of society, esp. the increasing social norms against expression of bigoted, kyriarchical, or sometimes just conservative views, has caused a process where people, rather than actually changing their minds, obscure their views in public, passing them along and strengthening them in private, forming bonds as a result of sharing intimate “confessions”, until eventually, at least in the right clusters, people start to feel like *most* of their friends are privately agreeing with them. At that point, they feel empowered to speak out in public, and then if they get enough support for that, they start to feel like the norm was never a “real” social norm at all, just oppressive crap pushed on them by distant liberals and oligarchs.

    That process is incredibly hard to detect and counter if you’re only relating to these people from the outside, because the process is underground-by-default, but occurring in groups that often hold disproportionate power and wealth, with the publicly-accessible forms of their communication full of signals that make most outsiders want to look at something else instead (for a variety of reasons). Perhaps it is true that, with a few more cycles of adults being pressured into acting decently enough and holding their tongues, enough children would grow up uninfluenced that the problem would just go away on its own. But I’m not convinced we *can* endure a few more cycles at all, and even if we can, they will (continue to) be devastating. While I do think the cycle is helping in net, it also hurts everyone in the process, and actually changing peoples’ minds is one of the only ways I see to sustainably slow it down and break it.

  11. Much love to you for writing this critical summary of what we face now. I was a member of the ICoC from age 14 to 21 (18 years ago now) and the scars of mistrust and fear still run deep. Congratulations on your awakening, and thank you for contributing to the enlightenment of others!

  12. The author was a member of the Tea Party in 2009 (and was “laying the groundwork for [Tea Party] elections in 2006”), but is now calling them “Christofascists” and warning us about what they’re doing. What happened during the intervening years? How does a conversion like that happen? The answer would be a much more interesting article, IMO.

  13. Good Article. There were enough men and women in the Women’s marches who hold modern, tolerant, inclusive God-based and/or humanity/organic-based beliefs to know our only problem is we are practicing our cherished American beliefs of freedom under scattered roofs and are not organized into regular worship and supportive circles that continually uplift us and overflow. You know?

  14. I grew up in the same movement, during the 1990’s. We were raised in isolation on a farm, homeschooled, etc. For some years, our only textbook was the bible. For others, we used textbooks from the 1800’s. When I was a teenager, I was sent to a remote compound in the Upper Peninsula to train in the paramilitary wing of our homeschool cult, which was called Advanced Training Institute. These people are serious as hell. I broke away at 18 after returning from the compound in Michigan (complete with airstrip, barracks, bunkers, etc) and realizing that the whole thing was crackers.

      • I’ve been documenting my journey for 8 years, talking about teenpact etc, so have many others. This piece came about because I was talking to activist friends who didn’t know this and that surprised me. It took weeks and a lot of emotional labor to write because I had to dig up memories that I tried to bury. We’ve been saying this all along but no one outside of our circle heard or listened until now.

    • I’ve been trying to tell this to people for years, screaming it from the mountain tops even. Until now they thought I was either exaggerating, paranoid, or overstating the danger. I wish people had listened and taken it seriously back then, because maybe if they had, Kieryn wouldn’t have had to write this article after the fact. People by and large were convinced that it was a tiny fringe that would never do anything, so they underestimated the threat level.

  15. The more I read about “Christian” organisations like this, the more I realise how lucky I am that the church I was raised in was a chilled out British Baptist church (and British Baptists are v different from American Baptists, I can assure you). I mean, I still internalised some pretty shitty ideas that took a long time to unlearn, but that probably would’ve happened without the church, lbr. And it gave me a place to get involved in social justice and anti-poverty campaigns, which shaped a lot of my worldview when I was growing up. Articles like this are a thousand miles from the church I know and used to love, and they horrify me all the more because of that.

    • With respect, there is a variety of baptist in the US called the American Baptist Churches, USA. This is, in fact, a rather liberal denomination, recognizing a “priesthood of believers” in its members, even allowing individual congregations within the denomination to welcome same-sex marriages. ABC, USA is not like many of the other baptist versions in the US. I watch FBC McMinnville, Oregon sermons online with a woman leader who rejects a gendered god. Her focus is on understanding the teachings of Jesus and what those teachings “call” on us to do TODAY, in real life.

  16. I grew up in the same culture, and you have definitely nailed it dead on. I agree, there is no middle ground upon which to meet the Christofascists. One side wants everyone to either change into different people or be destroyed, and the other side wants everyone to be ok. There is no middle ground there. I personally was culturally shamed and then college educated out of the Christofascist brainwashing. Shaming fascists for their fascism and educating in full critical thinking faculties seems a good a strategy as any. It’s important to remember that these people are waiting for the end of the world to be their salvation. They literally do not give a f*** about anyone or anything besides the end of the world. Horrifying.

    • This. And also, I think that most conversions away from this happen between (just guesstimating) 13 and 25 – when people are naturally questioning their upbringing, regardless. I have known very few who left that world after 30, say, though it does happen. So providing information to people while they’re naturally questing is probably our best bet.

  17. “It’s important to remember that these people are waiting for the end of the world to be their salvation. They literally do not give a *** about anyone or anything besides the end of the world. Horrifying.”

    Or even more horrifying to consider…why wait, *when we actually have the technology to engender said end of the world*? And they can claim that God granted us the means to do God’s dirty work.

    Consider all the fearful talk out there about Trump being capable of bringing us to nuclear Armageddon; perhaps to these people, that could actually be an altogether desirable goal, especially once it’s clear that their desired Christofascist Nation is easier said than done, or that “society”, in their eyes, is too far gone?

    It’s funny how *that* concept hasn’t popped up in the article, or this thread. But we *might* be looking at something that may play out as the biggest–and by design, final–suicide cult in history.

  18. I was homeschooled through in a secular, mixed unschooling and a Waldorf-based curriculum. I remember getting excited to meet a fellow homeschooler only to find that we had little else in common, and that they were very religious. This happened a lot. I had decided at 7 that I was an atheist. I did not get along with religious people until I met some more moderate religious people in college. I also met some fellow former secular/liberal homeschoolers in college. I now work in policy and campaigned heavily for Hillary last fall. My college roommate who was homeschooled for a few years ran for city council a year ago. He didn’t win, but he’s still heavily involved in local politics.

    I’m curious what sort of checks and balances you think would be good to keep parents from brainwashing their kids like you were. I know some states require book lists; what do you think of that idea? What about standardized tests? (I’m not fans of standardized tests, personally.) Portfolio review? I turned out well, but I know a lot of other homeschooled kids didn’t, including some I knew personally growing up. What do you think would have helped you have your revelation about your worldview earlier?

    I will say, I think a lot of the problem is the religious fundamentalism rather than just the homeschooling. I spent my HS years in a conservative area. One of my sports teammates said she “hated people who believe in evolution” (directed at me on purpose to bully me). She went to a private religious school. The public school kids were confused about evolution, probably because all of the parental lobbying against it being taught. This was in a very conservative part of the US. Religious fundamentalism with no exposure to anything different leads to this narrow viewpoint. And you’re right that homeschooled kids have more time to spare–how can you not, when your commute to school is a staircase and you go at your own pace?

    • At my daughter’s *public* school, in… fourth, I think?… grade, one of the teacher’s aides informed her (they’d broken up into small study groups) that, despite what the text-book said, the moon had not broken off the earth, or any other “practical” explanation – it was there because God put it there, full stop.

      My daughter didn’t buy that explanation – but I wonder how many kids did?

  19. I always find these articles interesting. As a Christian I was never taught not to believe in science or evolution with the exception that humans did not evolve from apes. In fact I didn’t know about evangelical Christians until I became an adult. I developed my Christianity in a traditional black church and in many ways was separated from what most white Christians where learning, whether they were evangelical or not. Because of African-American experiences in the United States, many of us typically didn’t trust many white Christian. As such, the Christians that Lauren talk about, are simply white racist.

  20. Mike Pence is an illiterate, women-hating imbecile who rejects science, believes that homosexuals can be “cured” through electrocution, believes that dinosaurs never existed, believes that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and wants to force the intellectually and morally offensive filth of Creationism into the curricula of our America’s public schools. This ignorant and utterly worthless piece of bigoted trash is beyond dangerous, and along with his equally worthless clown-in-crime Donald Trump, is the absolute worst that America has to offer.

  21. I am totally in agreement with what the author presents, I’ve been actively fighting these who will steal our democracy. The only thing I disagree with is their purpose, these people are fanatics, they believe that their god demands them to do everything to respond to its demands that they convert all others. That means they are enabled to lie and hated and murder and war, as necessary to achieve dominion. Equally disturbing is the same is demanded by another Abrahamic god, that of Islam. Imagine, world war without end as demanded by non-existent supernatural beings.

    I’m a bit overwhelmed to find some in agreement with what I’ve been spouting for years. Without too much ranting, be aware our media is infected with those whose goals are to impose their fanaticism on us. Most liberal sites are so infected, including facebook. What’s particularly dangerous about this infection is that these ‘moderators’ are in position to shut down all of these sites, in the situation where discourse among liberals is required to fight back against another takeover of our democracy ala the ‘election’ of gwb in 1999. If this happens again our democracy is over, make no mistake.

    Pence like so many now poised to destroy separation of church and state is a christian supremacist, like DeVos and Sessions. I doubt trump has the intelligence to understand what is poised to happen under his presidency.

    I may apply to write for this site, I have so much to reveal about what has happened to me, for telling the truths this author reveals. Even as I write this comment, I am monitored and warned, it used to be that I would be censored and my comments manipulated.

    • to continue my thought, now I get an audio warning, a beep when those who monitor me don’t like what I am saying. Finally I ask all who are what I define as Real Christians to begin to understand the dangers presented by those who act in your names. The lies and hatred used in your names will be used to destroy our nation, please understand what the author is saying. I’m an atheist, I don’t advocate everyone to be an atheist, but if that is the only avenue to fight for our nation and that’s the only way to overcome the freaks, then please consider atheism for your well being and that of your children, and our great nation.

  22. I believe it is fate that I have the 333rd comment. Jesus died at 33 and I believe he o my ever meant to be a Jew. In Judaism, God is infinity. When you take 100 and divide by three you get three groups of 33.3333333repeating infinitely.

    Christianity inherited dishonor to man to man love, woman to woman love, from Judaism. The problem with the Torah, although a beautiful work brimming with value, is that it is also brimming with lies. All of its authority comes from the “fact
    ” that it is by Moses, even bough it speaks of him as if he is ancient, long after his death. This proves that there were underlying motives. Maybe since Judaism doesn’t procelatize they thought since being with a woman is so hard all men would choose men instead of given a choice…science agrees very few of us are entirely straight or gay. Also, man to man battlefield lovers posed significant military superiority–you fight way harder to have your man’s back if he needs it than you would for your bro. Love is the greatest power after all.

    And love is God.

    I’ve seen many many asking what we can do to fight back.

    I came up with the idea for a Facebook macho wholesome badass dudelove culture page Holy Homos while in Israel. I have many different flyers to plaster all over your city with simple teachings to while giving men honor in their love, enforcing conservative values. For example, in one holy homos promo, two us make soldiers kiss on the lips under the text “Sex can only be the shit if there is Love”

    Since the author, whom I salute, changed their mind, we can change minds.

    As someone before me suggested, use their own teachings.

    I recently met at a gathering for gay Orthodox Jews at a congregation lead by a gay rabbi. We need more gay rabbis and priests willing to advocate that God has always been love.

    Since God is love and dishonor to manlove in a universally-bi population effectively murderes 50% of God manifesting, I believe it is even possible that the holocaust was karma. Of the worst kind, since people were obeying what they were taught.

    I went on a date with an amazing guy who I’m already falling for. We’re both activists and could see ourselves becoming spiritual leaders. He a priest, me a rabbi.

    This is what we need. Accountable role models.

    My musician name is King David, I post a lot of my music on my Holy Homos Facebook page. We need to make the best music, film, art, culture that anyone had ever seen to fight this. Art is the greatest weapon.

    We will win hearts.

    If all else fails, ask the bigots why God gave men prostates. Women don’t but men do. Clearly make to make love is divinely designed to be faithfully consummated.

    Many rabbis and priests don’t have the balls to relate that King David told the crowd at Jobathan’s funeral that he loved him more than any bride.

    Really, hands down, the bigger way to SAVE Christians from where they were mislead is in this simple and epic fact; the greatest leverage getting man to man marriage legalized in the United States was an artifact found on Mt. Sinai depicting Jesus overseeing the marriage of two men.

    Love is God.

    If you want to fight them, educate them that every time they dishonor mature adult love they are KILLING God. God is as if a plant growing to light.

    To photosynthesis.

    If you want to join forces, relay thoughts, or need someone to talk to and give you motivation, my email is KingDavid33@live.com

    All my love

    Oh and I used to be an athiest until 8 years ago when I met my first and only boyfriend. It was a jock to jock love. Make you believe in God love.

    We can heal hearts and change minds!!!

    Heaven on Earth coming soon

    All the best dreams.

    • I started not to reply to you but try this on for size …..

      Change the truth of gravity to mean whatever you want , but gravity is gravity , fall a thousand feet into a solid concrete swimming pool full of gas and burning coal , and believe you’re going to walk away from it …… Ain’t gonna happen …..

      Don’t mess with Gods Word , it’s the truth and you will bow your knees to the Son of God , JESUS , and guess what ? You’re going to remember this warning the rest of your existence …..

      So I suggest you repent of your sin/sins , believe the Gospel and cry out to God to forgive your sorry self and be born again …..

      You will bow to Jesus , do it now and be saved or do it after you pass from this life and be separated from God forever as you suffer the burning fires of hell eternally …… but you will bow to Him !

      That’s the largest display of love you have ever heard or seen ….. call it hate if you’d like but you’ll see !

      And no I didn’t read your foolish jabbering , I just ran across 2 sentences and that was all I needed …..

      I know it sounds like I’m hard on you but think about it , how much love is in letting you continue in your twisted thinking and me not warn you …..
      if you were in the middle of the road with a truck careening straight into you , would it be love or hate for me to just walk away without snatching you out of harms way or me even giving my life to save yours …..

      Set aside your messed up thinking for 1 minute and consider what I’ve said ….. these words will be forever burned into your mind and heart …. I will pray that you do the right thing….

  23. Kieryn;

    Thank you for describing, in rather frightening detail, what is opposing freedom in America now. I am homeschooling my son, who is in fifth grade, not because of any religious ideology, but rather that an alt-right Christofascist mentality is gaining much traction in America that the quality of public education has fallen to the point that we don’t feel our son would be safe in public school.

    From reading the comments here, I still see people thinking we can oppose them by being active in protests, or voicing our opinions to public officials. From what I have seen, and what your article seems to be saying, we already have many local and state elected officials that are part of this Christofascist movement. Telling them to protect our freedom to follow other faiths, or to be atheist, will fall on deaf ears. There is now also a growing number at the Federal level. They think Pence is their end game, or close to it. They won’t care what “infidels say. They are following “the true word of God” (as they see it). What we want does not measure up against their religious fervor.

    Every day, with every insanity babbled by Trump, every attack on our rights, I become more and more scared, and certain that the only path to end this is going to be a Civil War. There is no middle ground, or commonality between secular thought and Christofascism. Reading what you’ve written about how prepared they are, how steadfast, fanatical and fervent, only increases that certainty more. If I believed in any form of God, I’d say “God help us,” but I don’t. We have only ourselves to lean on, and a nation that is being stolen from us to defend.

    • Surely you jest . the King is coming !
      Get right with God through Jesus His Son …..

      Man y’all folks are crazy ….. y’all must be in your mid twenties to mid thirties …..

      Better get with Gods program , or wing it on your own , you will not like the outcome …..

      I know you’re a chicken but try for just one minute to imagine that you’re wrong ….. if you are you will have hell to pay ….. and no I’m not wrong and from this point forward you wil never be able to forget this warning forever ….. so don’t wait too late , you never know when your curtains will be drawn …..

      Once it’s too late there will be no second chances …..

  24. It’s been a while since I was in grad school and read up on the influence of the fundamentalist far right on education, but this goes way beyond homeschooling. They are also working on the system from within through school boards, legislation, etc. They have vast amounts of power, and they are bent on absolutely destroying the public school system. They have found convenient allies in corporations interested in profiting off the decline. Betsy DeVos is their champion because she ties together the two prongs of this movement.

    I do agree with the author that so much damage has already been done and that the only way to save our future is to resist and fight.

  25. I have received a solid education about who these people are from this article.
    Yes, Liberals are scratching their heads and wondering what to do to remove this hate group from our government. Trump will bring about his own own undoing if he remains so egocentric and keeps breaking laws. He may crack up at any time because he can’t handle the job. Pence has always been the Liberal’s worst fear. I suppose before Trump took office we thought he was a liar and incompetent buffoon, but it who was behind him that frightened us.His followers at rallies and their hate frightened us too. This brings up a situation on how to deal with fanatics and how to kick them out of power. They may want to blow up the world to bring on the Rapture, but nobody else wants this. What is the best way? We need direction and specific action. Griping abut Trump on social media is getting nowhere fast. A specific methodology to rid the nation of this hateful cancer, please.

    • Agreed. Protests are fine, but the people in power have to be motivated to listen–and from what Kierstyn is saying, they don’t listen because everything outside of their own belief system is a lie. So 300 million people protesting will not make a dent.

      They have to have an Achilles heel. There has to be something concrete that can be used to bring down the regime quickly, efficiently, and with a minimum of collateral damage. If anyone has any insight, we welcome it.

  26. Quiverfull has twisted and ascribed meaning and purpose to organizations, homeschoolers, and Christians that were never intended by any of them or God.

    It has perverted the Word of God, assuming its end to be “Christian” world domination. They made the same mistake zealots in Jesus’ time made, who assumed the Messiah would establish his kingship over the Roman empire.

    Jesus was clear; He said He is not of this world and His kingdom is not of this world.

    Instead, He was crucified as “King of the Jews,” died, and was buried for their sins and the sins of the world, and raised three days later to overcome the world.

    Christianity–Christ–is not about fear. His sacrifice and resurrection were centered on love alone, to save people from their sins so they could escape eternal damnation. Anything more than this is of the devil.

    There is only one Messiah. God forbid “Christians” should look for a Messiah in Mike Pence or anyone else. The Messiah already came. He is Jesus.

    Though Quiverfull may exist, be assured, they are false representations of God, true Christianity, and especially homeschoolers, many who have no affiliation with God whatsoever; modern zealots who pervert God’s truth for their own agenda.

    Many Christians and homeschoolers don’t even know Quiverfull exists, and likewise, those raised in Quiverfull may not know a godly Christian life outside Quiverfull exists, or if they do, they’ve been taught it is wrong or damned.

    I only know about Quiverfull because a few years back, when I blogged about my large family trying to build a house debt-free by God’s lead, I came under attack as being part of Quiverfull and a patriarchy. I didn’t understand what that was or why I was being railed against when I was just living the personal convictions God gave for me and my family alone. I had to research to find out what this strange accusation was. I was shocked at the perversion in God’s name I found.

    Quiverfull does not represent God or God’s people. They lost their first love: God.

  27. i am really glad to see someone writing about this. this was my entire exact childhood & there are so many folks out there who despite not being directly associated with quiverfull, tea party, etc. still share the same perspective and goals.

    fuck everyone on this post trying to say there’s some kind of softer, ideologically pure form of the christian homeschooling cult. there’s not. 100% of these people are horrifying. and to the people trying to use this as an opportunity to explain What The Real Jesus Is Really About, go away. this is not the time or the place. i’m not anti-christian but i am very anti-evangelical & it’s really deceptive to act like you are ok compared to “those other ones, the bad ones” when you still hold beliefs that invalidate lgbt individuals… even if you don’t want those beliefs to become law.

    also thanks to the mods who have to deal with all these comments, which are very yikes

  28. I read this account last night before sleep. At 2:30am, I turned out the light. At 5:30am I woke in a sweat of fear and dread, having had one of the worst nightmares I’ve ever had about what the plan is next for the “far-right evangelical conservative (Christofascist) movement,” that is, how they’ll “deal” with the rest of us unRight people. It was positively chilling. While the dream is a bit fuzzy now, I do remember bits and pieces, things like required-attendance mass “educational” rallies, being wined, dined, but mostly drugged, having friends disappear and then return with a dull look to their eyes, unable to remember who I was and with hair, once dark, having turned white. Lobotomies. Brainwashing. Torture (which, according to Donald Trump, “works”).You know, pleasant stuff like that.

    Oh yes, and Right children being celebrated for fornicating on Trump-controlled TV. That was in the dream, too. And, reaching out to grasp someone’s hand for comfort and grabbing onto something more like a squishy claw. I have vivid dreams, what can I say.

    Oh yes, and Right people laughing at my terror and telling me I should have gone to church more and paid attention during Sunday School.

  29. Hello Kieryn,

    Reading your article opened my eyes, but hearing the voices crying out in unison throughout the responses clearly is heart breaking. First I want to say I am sorry for the spiritual abuse you and so many have suffered. It does not take a home school setting to be hurt by those who follow Jesus or purport to do so. As a parent of adult children I am keenly aware of the vastness and depths of my shortcomings as a mother. As a Christian I am sickened and shamed that some of my sins against my children were actually committed thinking I was representing Christ and acting for their good. I have received abundant grace and mercy from my three loving children but that is because the true Christ, the one who willingly swapped his life for theirs, is bigger than my sin. He is a redeemer in my life and theirs.

    I never made the mistake of seeing Christ as a political entity, we have 4 gospels to show the ignorance of that! I never knew about the movement to outbreed the opposition or infiltrate influential cultural strongholds but I certainly had enough bad theology to portray God as so much less than who He is.

    I am truly sorry for what you and others have been through. It sounds like there continues to be brokenness between many of those responding and their families. I hear you and it’s an important message to all Christian parents not just homeschoolers and not just to those opposing what you speak out against. I ask and encourage you to see those faults in fallible man as our own fallen human nature but not as a reflection of who God is. May you find Him tender and loving, limitless in patience and ever longing to have a conversation with you because that is who He is.

  30. Thank you for sharing this article. I come from a similar bkgd. I understand exactly what u mean regarding their “dogma over people”. But we must fight with the law. Protest, rally, YES! We CANNOT resort to their methods. ✊???

  31. Thanks so much for sharing. I was raised as a conservative evangelical also.

    Your article expresses what I have been thinking as I watch the new political canvas unfold and have been wanting to put into words.

    My heart and soul are saddened because Christians are giving such a bad name for God.

    Thanks again. I look forward to reading more of your articles in the future.

  32. The United States of America was formed by people who were Deists, not Christians. Even though many Americans have been Christians, the country has always been non-religious and certainly non-Christians; that is why religion is mentioned in the First Amendment to the Constitution. Religion is simply not what the U.S.A. is about, and this will not be a religious country. If you want to live in a Christian country, then I think you should find one and move there.

  33. Thanks Kieryan. Im a liberal christian who was exposed to the evangelical agenda while working in broadcasting. My liberal friends have no concept of what you are talking about. There’s a large silent “christian” population has always been there. We don’t like to to linked to the the word “christian” it doesn’t mean what we stand for. Since we know the thought process we can battle it, I’ve run into some people christian or otherwise that are mentally ill, and you cant fix that, but the majority can be slowly helped. and prayer! dont forget to pray. ~brooke

  34. Let me just say no one can discredit your personal experience. I believe it is the truth of what you experienced. However, I don’t think you realize you are doing the very same thing that Trump and the extreme Right are doing to Muslims. Just because there are groups within their faith that have twisted their beliefs and committed horrible acts of evil in the name of Islam, now the entire faith has been labeled evil. When the truth of the matter is people are evil. Whether christian, muslim or atheist the propensity for evil, selfishness, and hidden agendas lies within us all. Race, religion, nor sexual orientation excludes us from that. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seemed as though your article demonized the entire Christian faith and everyone who identifies themselves as Christian. The culture you were apart of does not encompass or represent all of Christianity.There are probably a hundred or more denominatons of Christianity. Although they may share similarities, they all operate differently. What truly matters is the nature of a mans heart. Anyone can call themselves Christian and do whatever they want, however they want, even using the written texts of the religion to do it.

  35. Thank you, Kieryn. That was really helpful. Really appreciate your honesty and perspective. There is so much we don’t know about each other. I don’t have any real comment, just wondering if you’ve heard about the Unbubble project (unbubble.io). :)

  36. This is a Facebook post from Kim Hastreiter from Paper Magazine in New York. I share her concerns.
    This is a person post and not a post from Paper.

    Kim Hastreiter
    New York, NY, United States ·

    Making America ugly
    Day seven
    I knew he would be bad but I seriously never ever thought in a zillion years that the president of the US could be allowed to order such a radical ban overnight on Muslims and refugees and even legal green card holders with NO process explanation, NO IMPLEMENTATION PLAN NO preparation for or communication about or explanation to the american citizens and especially Muslim citizens and other immigrant communities. Talk about being trigger happy and no impulse control. And u know This is just the beginning. I guess his MO is to keep everyone in a panic SHOCK AND AWE mode and cause fear and terror and he is succeeding in doing that. To us!! People are scared. The world is scared. Imagine how Muslim american citizens feel tonight. Or refugees who have spent years being vetted so they could come to America
    This is terrorism executed by Donald trump. HE IS A SADIST AND A TERRORIST. And an IDIOT. AND A LOOSE CANNON. the jihadists and extremists ARE LOVING THIS. THEY ARE CELEBRATING. ITS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE WISHING FOR. THEY ARE ecstatic to see such idiocy and anarchy and Islamophobia and EVIL white extremism in America. BECAUSE THEY WILL MULTIPLY AND RECRUITING WILL BE SO MUCH EASIER. What a huge invitation for BIG terror attacks here. They’re fist bumping.

    The resistance NEEDs A LEADER. We need a powerful smart united strategy and unified activations for next steps. I get a thousand petitions and requests for donations daily. I sign everything and give to everything BUT This resistance is microfractionalized. . And it’s weaker this way. I feel like it will organically develop and solidify as time passes but we need it fast we need A single focused strategic resistance “cabinet” that represents all factions. And a brilliant strategic leader who understands 21 century communication and is not AFRAID. We need one organized leadership to be the umbrella over the many many smaller valiant niche human rights immigration, environmental reproductive LGBT rights and other orgs shouting to be heard separately.
    And We need this entity to lead a SINGLE STRATEGY to follow on how to fight back and resist the new hijacked version of America and our crazy town president. We need to unite our resistance. And do what our half assed democratic officials in congress with few isolated exceptions ( a la sanders Warren gillebrand) aren’t doing. I’m so over the fucking Democratic Party as it is. I mean where the fuck ARE they??????

    We need GENIUS game changing creative activations paired with stealth legal action. We need subversive reconnaissance /truth intelligence and organized aggressive action like tax boycotts if sanctuary state fed funds are withheld, and most importantly organizing and using the best and brightest psychiatric community in America and around the world to develop strategy to deal with and weaken our MENTALLY ILL PRESIDENT who is off the rails dangerous. I REALLY FEEL LIKE HIS mental disorder IS HIS BIGGEST WEAKNESS. that’s why working with the psychiatry community is so urgent IMO.

    We need a plan for organizing and fundraising. We need sensible doable ideas how to simultaneously protect and give sanctuary to the vulnerable losing their rights being targeted/oppressed and navigate the complications and threats of doing so. how to fight our new governments hijacking by corporate entities for Their profit. How to protect all our hard fought rights we’ve won from LGBT to women’s reproductive rights to how to protect the most vulnerable Americans and so so much more under attack. We need a SINGLE entity leading resistance for the whole shitshow.

    Detailing a handbook for what citizens need to do every single day to be effective and not spin wheels so we can defeat the most disastrous and dangerous reality TV sleazy con artist ever whose malignant narcissism personality disorder is devoid of empathy, has no belief system in anything other than power, ego, winning, spite, being worshipped, revenge against those who speak against him enriching himself. Our president the egomaniacal stingy immature child-man who was
    elected not by the majority of voters who needs to compensate and punish as many people as possible who won’t fellate his tiny penis who doesn’t care about human rights or humans for that matter. Who doesn’t know what’s in the constitution because he doesn’t even read but watches tv and uses twitter instead.

    We can’t fight this in a normal way. This is not normal. We need out of box thinking on how to protect our country and its citizens. Even to protect the citizens who voted for him. But we need to unify. And all activate together. Whether all of us registering as Muslims, all legally withholding our federal taxes and I’m sure there are many more effective creative ideas out there especially mind fuck stuff that the psychiatrists can help us with. Remember we are the MAJORITY. AND HE IS CRAZY. He is putting us all in grave danger.

  37. Is this real? I fully believe this story. It makes complete sense. I’ve been living in a bubble in Texas. Always fearing confrontation so I just “go with the flow”, as many say. But with the rise of “fake news” I’m second guessing everything I read. I still read it and share it, but I want to find out if it’s true.

    • The picture you see on Facebook is the cover photo of this article, the exact same picture you might see if you go to this website and look at the front page. The exact same picture that represents this article everywhere on this website.

      There’s nothing insidious or misleading about it. That’s just the status quo. Autostraddle could have gone the other way and coded the site to promote author byline avatars on social media instead, but people don’t generally interact as well with a square photo of a face as a usually relevant cover photo chosen to illustrate the story.

      With that in mind, what you’re actually wondering is perhaps: how does this cover photo relate to the story?

  38. I think the only thing about the ending paragraphs that are disconcerting is that suddenly we lost sight of your personal experience. You might be, and others like you, who have fallen far enough from the tree to be out of the shade, the most important people of this time. You are a bridge Kieyrn. I don’t know how you came away you after being brainwashed from birth. I myself was raised off the grid by alternative atheists and I have not fallen far from the tree. I was raised with heavy logic almost the antithesis. I am in awe of people who did not do what their parents taught them, learning somewhere along the way to think for themselves. My heavy logical background brought me back to my roots, as it turns out they made a lot of sense. Compassion, acceptance of all. We will all need you Kieryn to continue to teach us about a world much of us know nothing about.

    *We would love to interview you further for a media project we are about to launch. Please contact us if you’re interested at Amber@redunyc.com. Hope to hear from you and thank you so much for sharing.

  39. I have lived an older version of this, homeschooling mom in a church/area that was pretty much just as this article describes. I was partially indoctrinated by all the passion and the genuine desire to do the right thing, but also constantly struggling because my own reason and logic made me question many, many things and I would feel overwhelming guilt and anxiety because of these “doubts”. I could never fully conform (I’m so glad!) and my level of acceptance by the pastor and other leaders reflected that. I had this annoying habit of asking questions and thinking for myself, although they had no idea how hard I was working to tone that down. This earned their wariness for anything I did or said. Personally, I’m grateful for the time I spent there now that I have broken free. It has caused me to cherish my freedom and independence in a way I would have likely taken for granted had I not had this experience. It also makes me HIGHLY resistant to any form of pressure to conform my life or thinking to a certain way. I’ll be thinking for myself from now on, thank you, even when I know I will make mistakes.

  40. Um, wow, you have laid out in a nutshell what I have highly suspected for years now. I have observed these Christians doing this, all of this, from witnessing one church having it’s members in one state adopting children in mass to raise indoctrinated for this purpose to listening to homeschooled children in other areas of the country spew these ideals, to even nearby CA communities push nuclear family values in a court system while encouraging more babies in dysfunctional families. I am frightened at this agenda more than ever now that I see it validated in this story, resistance is necessary more than ever before in this country.

  41. I’ve seen much the same, I’m afraid. I’m a Mestiza that grew up in the west (thanks to sugar beets, but that’s its own story), and my sister’s in-laws (and her, now, sadly) are entrenched in this kind of thinking. Her husband’s parents creationist ‘scientists’ (Christian Apologetics) that write children’s books all the while saying how much they hate children. In fact, the only reason they had any was to glorify god. (Their one son had multiple daughters and no sons and they were convinced something must be wrong with them. Their other son is going to have a boy. They’re naming him Donald.)

    I was surrounded by this terrifying extremism for a large portion of my life (my sister is eighteen years older than me and was married at nineteen. She’s insisted on staying in our lives, even if she condemns us), so it was a huge shock to me when I learned that this is not something a lot of people know about or necessarily believe. It seems like an exaggeration…but it isn’t.

    I have sat in shock while being told that Cesar Chavez was in league with the devil, or that a woman they knew was having marriage troubles and it must stem from being in an interracial relationship, or that divorce is a ‘black problem’ or a litany of other statements that people don’t think are thrown around anymore.

    What’s dangerous isn’t really them. They’ve always been around. We’ve had centuries of bigots utilizing and twisting religion to support whatever is most beneficial to them. What’s really dangerous is that there are so many people that don’t think they exist, or that they’re few. They might vary in terms of extremism, but they definitely exist. And their thinking is dangerously insular. They seperate themselves off from society. They homeschool, have private schools that teach things like how Obama is the devil’s pawn (Real example from the school my sister sent her kids to). They think of themselves as an oppressed group, under attack from an evil world that they alone can save. There is no reasoning with them, it seems. I’ve tried haven’t polite conversations, but it usually turns into how my racial background makes me biased.

    Anyways, I could go on for days, seeing how much time I’ve spent with these sorts and how angry I am about what it’s done to my sister, but yeah. Articles like this are necessary.

  42. It sounds from your incredible, passionate article, that somehow God’s love got left out of the equation in your life story. I grieve for the hurtful experiences you had to endure and wish for you people who will surround you with the love you should have known all along. We are all just limping through this life, i’ve found–sometimes lifting up the person beside us and sometimes being lifted up. Wishing you the Best always.

  43. Wow, this really struck me. Especially as someone who was homeschooled (not in these circles though)! I know how powerful a group of homeschooled teens can be and how loud and outspoken they are, and it makes perfect sense that this culture would use them like that, I’ve seen it a lot.

  44. Really late to the comments, but I still want to thank you for speaking up and sharing this. A lot of this is stuff I’ve been trying to vocalize for awhile. I’ll be sharing this a lot, especially if the rumored lgbt executive order comes through this week. I kept thinking this administration was only motivated by money/power, but now I see how strong the religious influence is.

  45. Could you suggest what kind of meaningful, non-violent resistance you are advocating?

    When you say the following, it is non-specific, and suggests a violent response. “[I]t must be fought against….Fight back.”

    Are you thinking of taking sticks and guns against your former neighbors and family members?

    “[U]nless they’ve already started on that journey themselves.” I wonder if there’s a way to foster that. How did it happen to you?

    As bad as things have gotten, I’m not interested in hastening Armageddon. It took a while for American Christian fundamentalists to help alter the power structure, but I doubt they’re really the ones behind the power shift. Ultra-wealthy industrialists and oil barons (“military-industrial complex” aka Halliburton) who are the bosses of corporate heads of media have developed a huge machinery of mass-hypnosis and hysteria (aka FOX News). They’re lured naive, superstitious, and fearful people (aka some Christians and others) into throwing some votes their way. I think it shouldn’t be too hard to lure the sheep back to the middle. It’s the evildoers at the top that are the bigger and harder-to-solve problem.

    Thanks for your story. It certainly has shed some light on the current election.

    PS I’m not a Christian, at least in the religious sense — though I do espouse a lot of so-called Christian values, e.g. love your neighbor.

      ~ As Seen On TV ~ Televangelists, selling Jesus by the gram. Mega-churches ministered by evil men seeking wealth and power, deceiving those seeking spiritual guidance. Stealing their wages, stealing their souls and telling them how they want them to vote. All in the name of Jesus. ~ Anti-Christians ~ The scriptures flow as sweet as honey from their lips, seducing and robbing in the name of God. These are the ones Jesus spoke of that would come in the End Times and deceive many in His name. Anti-Christians: You will know them by their bigotry, their hatred, and their contempt for “others”.

    • Devos is scary, and will be terrible for children in schooling if confirmed, I agree.

      Two things – the author is not a girl, they are nonbinary trans (an enby)

      Second – ‘delusional’ refers to psychiatric symptoms, not authoritarian brainwashing. The enby who wrote this has never been ‘delusional’, they had been conditioned by a cult to authoritarian beliefs.

      I know you probably meant well, but ‘delusional girl’ is a word pairing that could very well harm the author and cause others in the same situation harm.

  46. I think this article is very important and I thank the author for shining a light into the quiverful movement for us on the left. I admire the accomplishments of these good Christian evangelical political activists. I respect thier organizing strategy. I am not excited or interested in whitewashed history, but respect the pedagogical approach described here. Homeschooling seems to be an essential element of the success these children have in activism.

    • There are some major donors who believe in the cause, and there are also a lot of ordinary people giving small donations because they’ve been convinced it’s the godly thing to do.

      HSLDA’s funding comes largely from keeping homeschool parents terrified that CPS or a truant officer will show up on their doorstep and drag their kids away. That fear sells memberships because they promise the peace of mind that they’ll be there to provide legal defense.

    • Single worker families go without many things to pay for the classes and groups offered. For 8 years I was paid to tutor these kids using their curriculum, which was my only income. This was how I as a homeschool mom could afford the tuition I had to pay. It also trapped me in their mission. I was asked to sign contracts stating I believed what they were pushing and if I didn’t my children and I would be seen as sinners. My money and time went to the books I was told to read and the money which funded their political agenda. It was the only way to be a Christian homeschooler and for many the only training and community they have is this.

    • Kieryn put into words all my conclusions about the homeschooled and the “Republican so-called Christian movement”. As I have been saying, I am more fearful of the moral majority legislators than I am of Trump, and kieryn’s article confirms all my fears.

      I am on the church council for a UCC progressive church. I have been trying to explain these realities to my minister and others and I get a blank stare.

      I would like to talk to Kieryn about how I can help disseminate her article to other liberal denominations. I have the resources to help.

  47. Kieryn & Autostraddle,

    Just so you know, by some wild stroke of magic you have brought into conversation two parts of my world which usually understand nothing of each other–I NEVER never never thought I’d see the day that conservative Republican evangelical Christian homeschool moms would be sharing & discussing an Autostraddle article on Facebook.

    There is a disturbance in the force. I’m giddy.

  48. This author ends their description of this very real nightmare, “We can only fight back. The revolution has come and we are the resistance.” But they don’t suggest how! These far-right Christians can’t be reasoned with, so does “fight back” refer just to the courts? What? People raised in these ways, who obviously have gone through their own self revelation, have very valuable insight, and I want more ideas from them! Frustrating, though I acknowledge this person’s courage and wisdom.

  49. Kieran, thank you for enlightening this liberal about this topic. I’m sorry you had to go through such a traumatic experience during such vital formative years. I truly appreciate you sharing your story with us. If I was your mom, I’d be damn proud of you for your activism and critical thinking skills.

  50. Thank you for speaking out! I have been involved with this group for over 8 years and just left. It was scary, it is scary. I will loose many friends my children have known all their lives. I was not sure I could do it, but your article gave me the last push I needed! Please know that by speaking up you have given several of us the voice we need to speak up as well. Please continue to be brave and truthful. I am proud of you and thank you for giving my children a voice that I almost lost.

  51. Thanks for the info, Kieryn. We’ve got your back on this. We have our quivers full of love and truth, and we are going to search out and expose the Quiverfill folks as the fascists they are.
    Peace out!

  52. Thank you for being honest and brave. I shared it on Facebook and Twitter. But I have to tell you, that article scared the bejusus out of me. Guess I’d better start sewing my Handmaid’s outfit (see The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood) because I think Pence is planning to take over.

  53. ~ The Separation Of Church And Hate:

    There is a good reason why Church and State must always remain separate. Let’s get something straight, right from the start: A theocratic state is not a free state, and never will be. I’m sure it was never Jesus’ intention nor was it His will that anyone should be dominated in His name, the name of Christ. That is the will of men. To be accurate, the concept in itself is anti-Christian. You can only follow Christ by choice, not by legislation.

    It seems some people are more intent on casting stones at perceived sinners than propagating the love of Christ. ~ “Above all else, I command you love one another”. ~ This was the message that Jesus preached, and as far as I can see, the worth of a soul will only be measured as such. But I can assure you of one thing, when your time of judgment comes, you won’t be asked to recite scripture, but rather, if anything, the question will be: Did you get the message and live by it?

    For all of you people out there on the religious right, you should try to remember that looking for sins to condemn, and people to persecute in the name of God, is simply Satan’s way of keeping you from seeing what is good and praiseworthy. It’s Satan’s favorite means of deceit; getting people to hate and kill each other in the name of God and Christ Jesus. Twisting scripture to incite hatred and division.

    Understand this; that by doing so, you are defaming the name of Christ, associating Jesus with bigotry and hate. Jesus was never cursed with these feelings, these sins that you commit in His name. It’s widely agreed that He rose above it all, and to use His name for the justification of spreading contempt and hatred for anyone is true heresy. It isn’t Pro-Christ by any means, but clearly Anti-Christ.

    ~ It doesn’t really seem to matter at this point if you believe in God and Christ or not. What we have are Anti-Christians, the antithesis of the persona Jesus, and they are attempting, through legislation, to declare America to be a theocratic state and nation, legitimizing discrimination under the false guise of “religious freedom”. If you’re not one of the “chosen” you’re fair game for persecution, oppression and abuse. It’s a perfect “us” and “them” scenario. If you express opposing views to the “Order” or you’re a non-believer, or in any way perceived as a “sinner”, they’ll be coming for you.

    ~ Anti-Christians ~ The scriptures flow as sweet as honey from their lips, seducing and robbing in the name of God. These are the ones Jesus spoke of that would come in the End Times and deceive many in His name. Anti-Christians: You will know them by their bigotry, their hatred, and their contempt for “others”.

  54. ~ The Christian Dilemma:

    The greatest threat to America, and indeed to the rest of world, at this point in history, comes from the staunch advocates of right wing ideology, and I must submit this warning to you: There is a grave problem with the right wing movement, in that; they seem to possess a distorted sense of entitlement. They’ve set themselves apart, and seem to think that their faith gives them the right to view the world from a platitude of conceit, through condescending eyes, and with a false sense of superiority. They actually believe themselves to be superior beings, with a manifest destiny and some strange notion that God is on their side. A people with a desire to conquer, under the false guise of Christianity, seeking to dominate in the name of Christ, their view of humanity being reduced to nothing more than a matter of “us” and “them”.

    What they fail to realize is; if the Christ you believe in leads you to view other humans as lesser beings, then you are a follower of the anti-Christ. The plain truth is; God doesn’t have a religion and God doesn’t discriminate. Any religion that professes to be the only true religion, or that they‘re special in the eyes of God preaches false doctrine. If the Spirit of God is truly with you, it will only be known by acts of “unconditional” love and charity. No religion can claim exclusive rights to God. He belongs to all that He has created, and to foster a belief in “us” and “them” is to divide humanity, not unite it.

    And so it will be, in The End, that those who have set themselves apart from their fellow man will find that they have set themselves apart from God. The worth of a soul will only be measured by how much it has loved, nothing more, nothing less. Woe to those who have taken the widow’s mite and built castles and empires in His name. They have incurred a great accountability, their suffering will be unending.

    Even Jesus will not claim to be Christian, but will only proclaim the glory of the Father. And when He returns they will shout: “Here we are Lord!” And He will respond: “I never knew you”. They have forsaken the Word and have become prisoners of the Numbers.

    Those who have put themselves first will be last.

  55. In reading this piece it made complete sense to me. Being surrounded by financial fundamentalist Christians in my family has tested my faith for decades. In thinking back… it could be said the “Young Life” groups that started in high school living rooms back in the early 70’s was the start of the “indoctrination” of this thinking. I come from a Catholic, six years of parochial school, background. Attended a few Young Life sessions but found it a bit dubious and too constrictive. Then my mother came back from Europe a born again Christian after being indoctrinated by my Aunt and Uncle. After that family gatherings became uncomfortable and unpleasant as the indoctrinations continued. Slowly, I stopped going to church after being blind sided one Mother’s Day Sunday service in which an anti-abortionist message was presented. I walked out and never went back believing Sunday service especially MOTHER’S DAY was not the platform for this kind of propaganda. Churchianity and Religiosity are the ROOT OF EVIL. Always has been.

  56. In reading this piece it made complete sense to me. Being surrounded by fanatical undamentalist Christians in my family has tested my faith for decades. In thinking back… it could be said the “Young Life” groups that started in high school living rooms back in the early 70’s was the start of the “indoctrination” of this thinking. I come from a Catholic, six years of parochial school, background. Attended a few Young Life sessions but found it a bit dubious and too constrictive. Then my mother came back from Europe a born again Christian after being indoctrinated by my Aunt and Uncle. After that family gatherings became uncomfortable and unpleasant as the indoctrinations continued. Slowly, I stopped going to church after being blind sided one Mother’s Day Sunday service in which an anti-abortionist message was presented. I walked out and never went back believing Sunday service especially MOTHER’S DAY was not the platform for this kind of propaganda. Churchianity and Religiosity are the ROOT OF EVIL. Always has been.

  57. Thank you so much for writing this! I was homeschooled from K-12th and while my parents were incredibly well-intentioned, their type of Christianity ran along many of the same lines. I will say that what saved me is the fact that my dad was much more secular-leaning than my mom (i.e. wouldn’t get rid of tv because he needed to watch sports) and my mom eventually discovered that no matter how many jumpers she wore or how many bible verses her kid memorized (I was interviewed for the local paper for my skills! lol) she was never going to me “good enough” for the other quiverfull moms. The closest we came to the fire was a membership with ATI, a few brief stints working the polls for dubya and other conservative candidates, and a journalism summer camp I attended at Patrick Henry College where we learned how important it was to label pro-choicers as Anti-Life in order to get “our” message across (we were all 15).

    I still feel the stigma of being homeschooled and usually don’t tell people unless we’re playing two truths and a lie.

  58. Kieryn, I would be really interested in reading about what resources and opportunities supported you in rejecting these theologies that you were immersed in, and developing independence from this community?
    Thank you for this article and your perspective.

  59. Liberals make rules to control people they don’t agree with all the time. Guns, smoking, certain foods, healthcare, etc… But the most sinister is through taxes, force Christians to pay taxes to fund things such as planned parenthood. You can make a case that Christians lobby to change laws, but you cannot claim that you don’t do the same. Christians and liberals have different goals, but many of their tactics are the same. That being said, my heart does go to any kid stuck in that type of situation, I also distanced myself from the religion I was brought up in, but I do not have vendetta against Christians, they are no worse than liberals, or any other religion.

  60. It’s hard to “choose” among all the terrifying implications of this story, but this one idea has stayed with me for several days now:
    “[Parents and families in this movement] are dissuaded from looking at the Constitution themselves without a law degree…”

    To me, this sounds exactly the same as the history of Catholicism, in which the Pope was the only person who could read the Bible and interpret it for the common man. This was part of the very point of Protestantism! How ironic that this sect of Evangelicals is now looking to their own Pope.

  61. I went to a private Christian school that was part of this. I remember they had a curricula called “understanding the times” which was pure propaganda against secularism and very political. We learned about Marxism & Leninism as well. It baffles me now that they full on support a guy like Steve Bannon. This is beyond terrifying.

  62. christofascism is a word I’ve been searching for, for years now to describe an upbringing in the evangelical “homeschooling” movement–thank you for this article.
    This HAS been a long time coming. The likes of Infowars/rebelmedia/ breitbart have been around in many forms for decades now. I remember my uncle had a really strong following for his anti-globalist anti-nwo anti-homosexuality-homosexuality “ministry.” (this shit was a non-profit). We used to spend hours dubbing thousands of VHS and cassette tapes for distribution to churches and evangelical organizations–where he would also attract hundreds to hear his 4 hour lectures on the impending apocalypse.
    The unsettling part of all this is that, whatever chaos may arise, hell, if ww3 starts during this administration, it would be considered a predictable act of god, pulling us ever closer to his second coming.
    A single memory has presented itself repeatedly throughout the election and now:
    I had just watched an episode of one of “Focus on The Family’s” kid shows, recounting emperor Nero’s blaming of the christians for fires throughout Rome (is this even accurate historically? Still overwriting a homeschooled education, stay with me, here).
    Now, my family subscribed to “voice of the martyrs” which is a magazine depicting “persecution” of christians internationally, for being christian. So I was always under the illusion that everyone was after christians, trying to destroy the world with their human-ness.
    Anyway, I remember being in the room with family and friends and boldly stated “wait, if the enemy is trying to destroy the people of the lord, then why don’t we just go door to door and ask people if they’re christian? If they say no, we shoot them. If they say yes, they can stay.”
    No one was particularly jolted by the remark, my aunt-in-christ just calmly stated “it’s a little more complicated than that.”

    I had a fear growing up that we’d be eradicated eventually and had to fight accordingly. A sentiment likely shared with most hyper evangelical upbringings. This memory is so ingrained because I really thought it was sooo genius, much like the time I drew a plan to build an ark in case we weren’t godly enough to get raptured n stuff.

    But yeah, we’re all grown up now…and this makes such unfortunate sense.

    Shit. Is. Cray.

    • So sad that you’re Aunt-in-Christ didn’t immediately say, “Because we’re supposed to love people — to be patient with them, and kind. And polite. And not self-seeking. Being a servant is what Christ modeled for us – He even forgave the people who who nailed Him to the cross, saying, ‘Forgive them, Father, for they don’t know what they’ve done.'”

      If you were in my house and posed that ‘solution,’ that’s the answer you would have received.

      People in Jesus’ day were misguided. They thought He was going to restore the nation and steal it back from Rome. No — he came to create a path for us to have a restored relationship with God. In our day today, Christians are STILL misguided. They think they need to steal back society from the socialist/Marxist direction its going. NO. We’re supposed to be pointing people to Jesus as the way to have a restored relationship with God.

      There is nothing new under the sun. People are still misundestanding the role of Jesus and our role as His followers.

  63. I am so saddened reading about all these experiences. About six years ago my wife and I were invited to what turned out to be a quiverful church. We weren’t told that — we just went, being told that it was family integrated — which is something we wanted, because so many churches divide the family as soon as they walk in the door. We attended for a few months, and I’m sad to say it took us those few months to realize they were so legalistic and misguided. Hardly anyone spoke to my wife because she wore pants to church. People half-scowled at us when they learned we had only one child. We kept hearing the phrase “full quiver” so we finally decided to look it up. YIKES. How NON-biblical. They twist scripture and I could not believe the men were so mysogynistic – it makes me cringe just to recall it. This “movement” really is the Islamic version of Christianity. It’s all about WORKS and not about God’s grace. As my wife and I tell people, “the ground is level at the foot of the cross.”

    My family is active in our homeschooling community. There are HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of us in our area of our state, and I’m glad to say that none of these hundreds of which I speak follow the quiverful mentality (outside of that small quiverful church at the west end of the valley that has only about 8 families attending). We only want to teach our children in ways that they prefer learning, and without all the bullying and emotional abuse they’d receive in what we call and “institutional” school (I have both an undergraduate and a masters degree in education, and I’m well aware of the BS that goes on in what is called a “public” school). Our daughter learns very differently from how they teach in institutional school. Her favorite subject is math, but if she’s been in an institutional school, I’m quite confident she would have been labeled math deficient.

    Our daughter is VERY active in the community — she is in 4H as she wants to be a veterinarian, she volunteers at the Humane Society, she loves gymnastics classes, and she takes several robotics classes in town, too. Like I said, her favorite subject is math, and her 2nd favorite subject is science — something the quiverful crowd told us she didn’t need because she should be preparing for life as a mom. I said “Poppycock.” Okay, my language was a bit stronger, but I am set on my daughter determining what SHE wants to do with her life. I’m not going to dictate that to her.

    I’m writing all this to say that “homeschooling” has a very broad set of participants. In fact, there’s a really good article floating out there somewhere that puts homeschoolers in five different categores (ranging from the quiverful crowd to the atheistic homeschooler). In any case, I feel so sad for the homeschoolers who were squashed and repressed and not allowed to be who God made them to be from their earliest years. As a certified behavioral analyst, I hope — and pray — that everyone who has posted on here about pain they had while homeschooling gets healed of that to the point that they can flourish in God’s kingdom in the joy of a relationship with HIM — because THAT is what life is REALLY about. Politics be damned — all one needs to do is read Isaiah 40 to learn that God thinks NOTHING of nations … of politics. What does Isaiah 40 say that He cares about? He cares DEEPLY for us as individuals.

  64. Fascinating and terrifying. Thank you for writing and sharing on Autostraddle, and I admire your courage. As someone who grew up in liberal Jewish family in a conservative town, I had no idea about any of this, even though it probably surrounded me. I can’t really imagine what life must be like for kids that grow up in this culture. I also appreciate how the comments section has been for the most part informative and respectful. Looking forward to reading more from you!

  65. So informative! Thank you for sharing … I have had so much anxiety unraveling the politics that join the Trump/Bannon/the “alt-right” with Pence/Evangelicals/TeaParty … But it makes sense! However, good news is the Women’s March is still the most popular of the protest movements! We are in the majority! Keep up the good work folks! #theresistance

  66. It is quite horrible for most of the civilised world to witness, how easily the darkest sides of humanity make a most unwelcome return.
    It is also unfathomable to us, how this perverse reading of the Bible can take place and gain ground. This is truly the false prophets, we are warned against, proclaiming all the vices, from which we must refrain, as good.
    To a true Christian, science only deepens the love for the created world, opening its miraculous nature up to us.
    Thinking that any way of life, which aims at doing good to your fellow man, should be sinful, has no Biblical foundation. It is a power-game, and indeed the monsters have taken control in the USA at present.
    We hope that we can save Europe.

  67. This is an incredibly well-written and thorough piece. I, too, was raised fundie Christian and homeschooled. While we weren’t part of any movement, and our theology was a bit milder than the one described here, we were very committed to “taking back” the country for Christ, even if it meant taking it from groups who’d been marginalized and disenfranchised. Ironic then that I’d eventually come out as gay. These days I look at the current government and wonder how no one saw it coming, but then most people don’t know what to look and listen for.

  68. If Quiverfull’s aim is to outbreed the opposition, banning abortion is a funny way to go about it. If the rest of their strategy is equally self-defeating, I’d say the rest of us have little to fear from them.

    (I apologize if someone has already made this point; too many comments, too little time to read through them.)

    • Banning abortion is just another way to control women in the name of Gawd. Women with children earn less, take more sick days and more apt to become dependent on some man out of necessity for her children. Wages, job descrimination, religion – all of these keep women in their place.

  69. So you my dear grew up on a cult. Period. Plain and simple. What you described has nothing to do with being a Christian or loving God. Sorry you had such a twisted experience that diverted you from what being a Christian is all about.

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