The Best and Worst LGBTQ TV Characters of 2016

THE WORST

Heather Hogan

Piper Chapman, Orange Is the New Black

If there’s anything more played than Bury Your Gays it’s watching an entitled white asshole destroy everything in their path on the way to an Emmy nomination. In the same way I don’t need to see Poussey get strangled to death to prove a point, I don’t need to see Piper flip the switch to soulless Sith Lord while still weaving a personal narrative about her own heroism to prove a point. We have to deal with this every day in the real world; I don’t think it’s really telling anyone anything they didn’t already know.

Sarah Harvey, Pretty Little Liars

Okay, but what’s the problem with killing a piece of white bread? It’s just a piece of white bread! Well, the problem is that you were like, “You’ll never believe this dessert we’ve been preparing for you for six years!” And you served us a piece of white bread and we were like “Um, this is just a piece of white bread” and instead of being like “You’re right, we should make a delicious sandwich out of it” you killed it. Disposing of gay characters because you never bothered to make them more than plain pieces of boring stale white bread — while, at the same time, doing everything in your power to humanize a male predator — is a storytelling problem that causes real world problems. Also, this is the first year Emily Fields has not made my list of best gay TV characters since 2009 and that bums me out more than I’ll ever be able to explain.


Isabel

Callie Torres, Grey’s Anatomy

Let me be clear, Callie could have been great. She could have been great forever.

Callie Torres was one of the first characters I identified with on TV. She was queer, tough, Latina, danced in her underwear while squatting in the basement of the hospital: she was the full package for me. So, when the Grey’s writers entangled her with Sentient-Flour-Sack Penny, I knew it was over. Her character was dismantled piece by piece, and then torn to shreds the second that stupid divorce court storyline mucked up our screens. Who was this person that thought it was 100% totally cool to tear apart her family for someone she had only just started seeing? Who was this cold-hearted woman who forgot about how Arizona was a good man in a storm and let lawyers judge her for her commitment to her career? Who was this impostor who forgot that Meredith’s family was also her family, and who stood by, stalwart and true, as the wreckage of that plane crash continued to distort her life? Penny swept in like a personality-eating virus onto one of TV’s only queer Latinas, and it was the one disease that wasn’t miraculously healed by Sloan-Grey Memorial’s foxy eye-acting surgeons.


Riese, Editor-in-Chief, Faking It Recapper

Camilla and Mimi, Empire

I have a cute idea, let’s hook-up a predatory lesbian stereotype with a deceptive bisexual stereotype and then kill them both! Oh wait… that wasn’t my idea, it was Ilene Chaiken’s!


Valerie Anne, Supergirl/Orphan Black/Wynonna Earp Recapper

Leah Murphy, Grey’s Anatomy

Even though she hasn’t done anything wrong yet this year, she showed up and that was enough for me.


Lucy Hallowell

Sara Harvey, Pretty Little Liars

I quit PLL over a year ago but Sara Harvey, the cardboard cut out, deus ex machina of Rosewood remains one of the worst female characters on PLL. Having her show up and announce that she is Command was absurd enough. Making her queer felt like a ploy to get us to overlook the absurdity of her addition to the show. It didn’t work.


Elaine Atwell

Jordan, Mary + Jane

The day AfterEllen shut down was one of the most painful, shocking days of my life (before the election permanently altered my definitions of “pain” and “shock”). But even at my lowest, I was able to find one bright spot: I would never have to recap Mary + Jane again. The MTV sitcom took what should have been a foolproof premise (queer girl buddy comedy about a weed delivery service) and subtracted everything that could have made it subversive, feminist, or funny. Jordan (played by Scout Durwood, who deserves so much better) was one of the emptiest queer characters I have ever seen. Jordan’s queerness was stuck on her like a paper doll accessory, never more than a marker of how “trendy” she was. (Whether that trendiness made her a likeable woman we were supposed to relate to, or a millennial caricature we were supposed to mock, the show could never quite decide.)

Over the course of three episodes (after which I mercifully lost my job and was allowed to stop watching), she got into a destructive “throuple” relationship with a married man and woman (a huge disservice to both bisexuality and polyamory), crawled into bed with Brad and Angelina (GET IT, BECAUSE SHE CAN’T CHOOSE), and got slut-shamed by her own vagina (because according to this show, weed gives your genitals the power to lecture you about your choices).

Mary + Jane will never be remembered as anything more than a bad copy of the infinitely superior Broad City, but I hope enough people noticed Jordan’s character for her to function as a cautionary tale. She’s what it looks like when queerness is bought up and sold back to us. She’s a rainbow Oreo: plastic-wrapped sugar with zero nutritional value.


Chelsea Steiner

Sara “Showers” Harvey, Pretty Little Liars

The past season of PLL has given us a series of horrors: an Ezria proposal, Spencer’s bangs, and that hideous cat sweater that Alison wore when she was depressed. But by far, the worst thing of all to ever happen to PLL is Sara Fucking Harvey, sitting on the only park bench in all of Rosewood, eating fried chicken while wearing leather gloves. GIRL, THAT CHICKEN IS GREASY AF THOSE GLOVES ARE DEF RUINED. Also, her wallpaper on her phone is a picture of herself. Unacceptable. She will not be missed.


Ali Davis

Bridey Cruz, The Family

As I mentioned above, I had 99 problems with The Family. Bridey was about 80 of them. She was introduced as a full-time “lesbian lifestyle blogger” for the small-town/big-city newspaper of Red Pines, but quickly became the nightmare epitome of every bad thing television does to bisexual characters. She immediately went out to sleep with a guy to get a story — while concealing the fact that she was a reporter and playing on his apparent alcoholism — and then not only went on to sleep with a woman for the same mercenary reasons, she slept with the previous dude’s sister. And if you think she didn’t lie constantly and flip back and forth between the two siblings as sex partners, well, you don’t know your horrific bisexual tropes.

In fairness, Bridey was also awful in ways that had nothing to do with her sexuality: Her journalistic ethics were nonexistent, she thought up terrible plans for gathering information, and she failed to hide her massive collection of press credentials from the bedmate who was supposed to think she wasn’t a reporter. There was even an episode in which Bridey took up a booth at a truck stop for twelve hours and then let the waitress pick up the check.

And yes, of course Bridey ended up dead.

I spent most of the season feeling sorry for Floriana Lima. She never given a coherent character. Bridey was just a walking bundle of tropes and vicious stereotypes that was made to do whatever would shove the plot where it needed to be, whether it made sense or not. I know too many working actors to root for a show’s cancellation, but in this case, I’m really happy for Lima. The Family’s demise gave her the chance to set hearts aflame on Supergirl.


Mey Rude

Maggie Sawyer, Supergirl

I LOVE Supergirl and I love Maggie Sawyer and I love Maggie and Alex on this show and I love the performances and the storyline and just about everything about them. What I don’t love is that Maggie is a Latina on the show, and talks about growing up being a person of color, but is played by a white woman. This character means so much to me as a Latina lesbian, but white people (even if they’re tan Italians). should not play people of color. That’s why she also makes my worst list.

Colin Jost’s Tinder Joke

It’s always great to see a straight, cis, white man blame trans people for Trump getting elected.


Jenna Lykes

Adele & Lois, Gilmore Girls revival

Dear Amy Sherman-Palladino,

You didn’t even try!

At least the throwaway new gay guy of Stars Hallow (Donald) was allowed to actually be in the show for a few scenes. Meanwhile, ASP’s only lesbian “characters” didn’t get a second of screentime – just an offhanded confirmation of their existence during a town meeting. The whole thing was meant to be a very tongue-in-cheek little wink at the lack of queer representation on the show over the years, but it fell extremely flat. Also, Taylor Doose is the absolute worst, so any scene with him makes my skin crawl.


Karly

The Grim Reaper, every show basically

I’m not sure if the Grim Reaper is queer, but they’re certainly the worst. Always hanging out in the background, eyeing your favorite queer character. Show writers are always like ‘No, don’t worry I’m not like those other writers. I can make The Grim Reaper interesting and not a stereotype!’ Everyone thinks they can make the Grim Reaper interesting. But we have seen iterations of the Grim Reaper almost 20 times just this year and it’s getting ridiculous. They should write-off the Grim Reaper, at least for a few years until they’ve proven they can be creative in other ways. Thanks!

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280 Comments

  1. Oy. How embarrassing to read on autostraddle – of all places – someone referring to Floriana Lima as white and fuel the race discourse. Nevermind the fact that Maggie has never once mentioned her ethnicity on the show. And really THAT is a reason to place her under a worst LGBTQ character list? Wow.

      • No, she isn’t. She is Italian-American. Race =/= ethnicity. You are assuming she is white out of sheer ignorance when the actress herself refers to her as brown to family and friends. And with the race discourse out of the way you should be able to separate the character from the actress. Sad, really.

        • I think it’s a layered problem, and because of that it deserves to be mentioned both in the positive and negative light, as Mae does shares above. Lexa was a great character, her death was BS. Isn’t it queer how things can be not just one thing? Let’s not attack each other for feeling failed by TV.

          Maggie Sawyer represents a lot of things: the CW brought a queer cis female tough-as-nails comic character to tv! The writers decided to writer her as non-white (though she is traditionally white and blonde in the comics)! They let the script keep her non-white background as rather ambiguous, she never gets more specific than than to say she wasn’t straight and she wasn’t exactly white and grew up in Nebraska (woof).

          The problems arise when 1) one of the presumably-straight cis white male showrunner’s runs his mouth and brags his excitement that the network let them develop Maggie Sawyer as both queer-identifying AND Latina. That’s from his mouth, but not the actress and not the actual scripts. Which sucks. It’s so close, this guy wants to do good! He wants to populate his feminist show with people of various genders and backgrounds and identities. But he misses the mark here with the Latinx community. And we should speak about it! It should make best/worst lists!

          It reveals a systemic issue with Hollywood casting and executives and actors, in ourselves, with assumptions about color and race and background. About letting skin tone speak louder than substance. Culture vs ethnicity vs race. But also, blind casting you know? They can’t legally ask the race/ethnicity of an actor! Heck, the actress herself has an incredibly diverse background, we don’t know how she grew up or identifies or feels or anything. We don’t know her Italian background, which doesn’t necessarily make her white either. But we do know she isn’t Latina. Non-white seems appropriate. Latina does not. And that’s vital. That’s where a showerunner and executive stuck their loafers in their mouth holes and here comes the discourse.

          To be honest I don’t put those issues on the writers or the show or the actress or the character – other than hey, her work clearly benefits because she has an imdb page full of ethnically ambiguous roles. That’s an ethical dilemma that it’s exciting to talk about, to improve. Like with Lexa, our voices on this pushes writers to listen, to DO BETTER. Because it fucking sucks. In 2017, let’s push to keep creating spaces for powerful Latinx voices, queer Latinx voices. For people to really see themselves represented in media.

          • This is excellent commentary. The issue is way too complex for just a couple sentences so serious props to you for breaking it down and giving it the nuance it needed!

          • Framobot, thank you for your wonderful comment and the perspective you add to this conversation.

          • It *is* how it works. Have you ever been to Italy? Ever heard about how racism is a big deal there because of white Italians and brown Italians? There are people of colour in Italy, Germany, Ireland and England. You DON’T KNOW what her family tree is. You are assuming, again, out of sheer ignorance. My cousin is of Italian/German descent and she’s a POC. I am Brazilian and I am white. Maybe you’d care to enlighten us on what being white/POC really is. Again, this has nothing to do with what a good/bad character Maggie really is and shouldn’t belong on this list, period.

        • The actress never refereed to herself as being brown lmao. She also never ever corrected people assume she was from Latin America because she benefited from the assumption that she was latina. Don’t make shit up to defend racist bullshit, it only reveals your own racism with how you are willing to throw us underneath the bus for some white chick that has made a career of getting a spray tan, and then start taking roles from actual brown people and latinx

          • Um, yes, she did. It’s on her instagram and on her friends instagram accounts. She also uses brown emojis. It’s really not that hard to do a little homework.

          • The only one making shit up is you. Every Supergirl fan who watches her occasional live videos know she is of Italian descent because she has told them as much. She said she has cousins in Brazil. She literally introduced everyone to her mixed American/Italian/insert ethnicity family here in Ohio over the holidays.

            And you are still missing the point. This isn’t about the actress being problematic, whether by playing Latinx in the past or dating a sexual harasser. This is specifically about this list nominating Maggie as one of the worst LGBTQ characters (even though she is liked (???)) under the assumption that the actress playing her is white OR that the character is Latina, when neither has proven to be true. It IS irresponsible and either way shouldn’t even figure into this, period. Make a list of problematic actresses playing LGBTQ characters and have a go at it, then.

      • That’s not fair. She’s also straight (as far as reported). All of us here are things people have told us we weren’t, at some point. And when we said quite literally, “Yes we are”, someone inevitably told us, “No, you’re not.” I know race (and ethnicity) runs as deep as blood, but I have to hope that at least I can accept fiction as truth, in a fictional story. How else can I accept any sort of truth in real truth? Also, been a huge fan and really admire you Mey.

    • Honestly, being a POC myself, other than not understanding why an actress’ ethnicity would figure into you listing her character as one of the worst LGBTQ in 2016, ESPECIALLY when you like said character, I think it is irresponsible and harmful to assume anyone’s race based on their ethnicity. Floriana Lima being of Italian descent does not make her white. I’d argue I’d see an issue if Maggie has explicitly said she was Latina but she never did. All she ever said was that she is not white – and she isn’t. Maggie is a great character, part of one of the best rep storylines I have ever seen and the actress is doing a great job at it. Stop trying to see “problematic” in everything. This isn’t Tumblr.

    • Supergirl season 2 was advertised to media outlets as racebending the character Maggie Sawyer to be Latina, and they had Maggie describe herself on screen as a non white woman. Casting a whitewoman to play her after doing both thses things is whitewashing and this makes her a bad LGBT representation as non-white LGBT woman shouldn’t have to choose whether representation of or sexuality is more important then or race. Maggie should have been played by a Latina actress

    • Floriana’s acting skill was never criticized in this list, what was criticized was the fact that she is a white woman playing a character that was advertised as Latina and described herself on screen as non-white. Autostraddle is right to criticize whitewashing in media.

  2. Nice to see so much love for POI and Supergirl. My 2 fav shows this past year.

    The worst list, though… listing Maggie there even though they said to love the character? Um. What? This is a best/worst characters list, not a best/worst actresses playing LGBTQ list. How embarrassing.

  3. Not specifically about this article, but has anyone else noticed that Clarke never really got much coverage as a queer character? There was a ton of attention for Lexa even before she died.

    • Unfortunately, I didn’t start watching t100 until season 2 was on Netflix. And I didn’t start writing at Autostraddle until season 3 aired and most of Clarke’s storyline involved Lexa. If I had to go back though and do it over again, I would write more about Clarke.

      • She hooked up with a woman in her When She was Bad phase, but was that pre Lexa death? I wish we could gen-swap Bellamy; that relationship is definitely the one the show cares most about, and honestly the one I find most compelling. I like that Clarke is bi, but her first love interest was a dude, and it feels like her “endgame” is going to be a dude too, which (in TV land) would kind of erase her awesome queerness.

  4. Awesome list.

    One name missing IMHO, though. Faith from Unreal. If you haven’t watched the Faith Diaries, get into them. There’s 10 episodes on Hulu or on Lifetime, and they are each about 3 minutes long. I saw one article describe them as “going down like a sleeve of oreos” which I completely agree with. Like a rainbow colored sleeve of oreos that have the faintest smell of horse.

    It’s an awesome coming out story from the perspective of a Mississippi Christian lady trying to reconcile her love for Jesus with her love for her best friend Amy. It was really well done, and I highly recommend a peak.

    And, if your new crush on Breeda Wool is born, then you can check out AWOL the movie with Lola Kirke.

  5. Ok. If you listen to the creators of supergirl they all say that Maggie is latina. I’m a non-white Latina. I’m allowed to be upset that an ethnically white actress was cast as a non-white Latina. It’s racist and it hurts.

    • They all? One white male did and that was before season 2 even premiered. Perhaps he assumed the actress was Latina? Most people did. And most people did not bat an eye lash at her race because, um, I don’t know, she is not white passing? It is *not* canon that Maggie is Latina, period. I am a POC and I’m not upset. You assuming an actress is white because of her ethnicity is what is racist. Double standards much?

        • How is that odd? Do you watch the show at all? It was never stated in canon that Maggie is Latina when, um, “the actual creators of the show”(read ONE person) said she would. All she ever said was that she grew up “non-white” in Nebraska. THAT is canon. What one exec said once didn’t even hold stance on the show and it was never brought up again. I’d rather deal with actual facts than to fabricate something so it would constitute as problematic.

          • Tiny infant messiah…
            Exec says a thing, queer Latinx community gets excited and hopeful for top to bottom representation only to find once again (google Al Pacino for a start on this long standing tradition) an Italian in role they thought was going to Latinx.
            Where is the fabrication?
            I ain’t seeing it cher.

    • Hey Mey, you are totally allowed to be upset about this. Although I think only one showrunner claimed she would be Latina, it was really unfair of them to say that and then fail to follow through with both that representation and that opportunity for a Latina actress. As a black woman, I think you and I are on slightly different pages as far as our respective understandings of race and ethnicity and how they differ (I, for one, realize Lima is Italian and probably has certain privileges because of it, but also note that she doesn’t look white, and may miss out on certain privileges afforded to whiter Italians because of it), but I totally respect the pain this casting choice brought you.

      You might like this article by Teresa Jusino (a Latina who writes for the Mary Sue) exploring what Lima being cast means for Maggie Sawyer’s character, and for any representation Latinx folks were/are hoping to see from Supergirl. I’ve linked it here: http://www.themarysue.com/floriana-lima-latinx-not-about-color/

      One interesting thing that Jusino mentions is that it’s illegal for casting directors to limit their calls by race, and so there may be a lot of guess work involved in hiring racially ambiguous-looking folks for roles, and while that’s really unsatisfying, I appreciate that the show hasn’t made any move to assign a Latin identity to Maggie since Lima was cast. I think they know they messed up (even though I think Lima is a great addition, and would be perfect if she actually was who they said they’d cast), and they’re treading very lightly as a response.

      All that said, I’m hoping you get some quality Latina representation in 2017, and that queer women on our tvs get to live through this year.

    • I think you have every right to be upset if a character you thought was going to be latina turns out to be played by an actress who doesn’t identify as one (or if they changed it and it turns out in the canon of the show she’s not actually latina).
      And if that lands Maggie a spot on your Worst list, that’s totally your prerogative.

      I do, however, think it’s rather dismissive and hurtful for you to keep calling her white or tan. Being a PoC is not about skin colour but it’s not NOT about skin colour either.

      Floriana Lima may be “ethnically white” as you call her, but her skin is obviously brown. It’s not a tan; she won’t get lighter if she would just stay out of the sun. I just find calling someone who is obviously brown skinned “tanned” incredibly offensive. She’s not PoC enough for you, but she’s white enough for white people either.

      She may not be a PoC in your definition but I don’t doubt that she was perceived as one in Ohio where she grew up and she is obviously perceived and treated as one now by Hollywood.
      Would people who know nothing about her background look at her and think “white”? I don’t think so.
      Would she ever be cast as a white character by Hollywood? I don’t think that will happen either.

      By insisting on calling her ethnically white or tanned, I think you’re being very dismissive of the experiences and, yes, discrimination that “ethnically white” people with non-white skin would have.

    • Who said that Maggie MUST BE a anything-but-white Latina? Mey, you’re part of the problematic group of so-called fans who pile on the harassment at Floriana Lima. If you are so bothered by ethnic purity, why aren’t you disturbed that in the comics, Maggie Sawyer is a blue-eyed blonde woman who got turned into a “non-white Latina” on TV? Did you also remember to lob hatemail at J.K. Rowling for approving of a black actress to play grown-up Hermione?

      I hereby nominate Mey Rude for AfterEllen’s writing staff, where her “talents” as a writer will be appreciated by the new management.

    • I don’t particularly care about Floriana’s ethnicity, but if she is as you say “white” and choosing to walk a mile in a non-white character’s shoes, I say all the more respect to her.

      I’m really struggling to see why that makes her casting racist.
      What I do see however, is someone placing a character on the naughty list, not because she’s a poor character or a poor actress but because of her race, surely that makes you the racist here?

      Hitler: I’m sorry Anka, you really are the best cook we’ve had in ages, but you’re not German, off to the gas chamber you go.

      Mey: I love Maggie Sawyer, but the actress portraying her is just not latina enough, on to my naughty list you go.

      If it’s a matter of authenticity, then why on earth are the gay women potrayed by straight actresses not on the list as well?

      How does things like this even get published on a site like this, does no one read this stuff before hand and say oops, our resident racist is showing her hand again, better edit that out.

  6. I’d add Zoe from “Degrassi” to this list. She’s easily become the most compelling character on the show. And her new love interest who’s set to debut in this upcoming season looks like she’s going to be groundbreaking.

  7. Ugh. Just when I had stopped crying about #Ballie we get more Atwell amazingness articulating why one look at seahorses has Wentworth fans sobbing into their cereal.

    Root/Shaw. Impossible to separate them. Root’s dogged refusal to give up on Shaw, to forget her (and that Shaw *knows* the Root would behave that way)… balanced against Shaw literally dying to keep Root safe over and over again. ‘You were my safe place’ is the new ILY

    Alex Danvers / Nicole Haught: between them meeting every cop/law enforcement fantasy of any self respecting lezbean ;)

    Honouravle mention To Bianca Grieve — for being Janet King’s safe place in a storm while going above and beyond (deliberately getting punched in the face – now that’s commitment) to get the job done.

    On the flip side – I really don’t see what is so great about the SAN Junipero characters. I don’t think they’re the worst but for mine they left me a bit cold

  8. ok Maggie worst character because of THAT reason? Autostradle I have to say that I’m disgusted to see this ignorance in here. As a mixed Italian/Dutch latina myself,let me break some bits for you and especially for miss Mey Rude.

    1. Maggie never said she was Latina. Floriana Lima never confirmed her ethnicity explicitly as well (and she’s allowed to confirm if she wants it or not!), however she did say that she’s at least italian but ALSO that she has relatives in Rio de Janeiro, you know a city in Brazil..a country in South America..which is a part of LATIN America. but no she can’t be at least mixed latina, because mixed latina’s don’t exist and all Italians are white right?

    2. You say that you’re latina but you seem to forget that lots of latina’s/latino’s are mixed and come in all shapes, backgrounds, seizes and skin tones. I for example am: 50% Nicaraguan (born IN Nicaragua, raised in The Netherlands), 25 % Italian and 25 % Dutch. I also have Afro African Black, German and Native American roots. My Dutch/Italian cousins look white and blond, while my Nicaraguan cousins look exactly like Floriana and me myself am white skinned with green eyes (because I happen to take after my mom more). But hey, that automatically makes me a white non latina right?

    3. Did the producers mess up (they called her latina, not Maggie nor Floriana)? yes they did. Are you allowed feel frustrated and dissapointed about it? absolutely. Is the anger/dissapointed justified? yes. But stating that you claim to love Maggie (who IS white in the comics!) and Supergirl, while placing her as a worst character because of THAT one reason makes YOU ignorant and problematic yourself. Miss rude, I suggest you to start educting yourself in the Latino history and the italian history as well because a lot of Italian/Europeans aren’t white either. Italy has a huuuge rich history of different backgrounds and ethnicities. For example Italy and Argentina? south Italy and the Middle East and Africa?

    4. If by this logic you want to nominate Maggie as a worst character, I nominate you as a worst judge because it’s supposed to be about a character, not an actress (who’s names sounds more latina than your own, but hey that still makes you latina and her not right? not even at least mixed right?). Saying that you’re latina doesn’t give you a free pass for spreading ignorance on the matter and fueling a race discourse. You’re allowed to like/dislike Maggie/Floriana, but give a nomination based on the character not the actress and her possible ethnicity. It’s this ignornant mindset that make me feel embarrased to be part of the latinx community.

    I also have to say that I’m dissapointed in autostradle as well, for allowing this in the first place. However, I still wish everyone the very best and hope that we can get along with each other without negative judgement.

    Greetings from a proud white skinned Italian/Dutch mixed Latina.

    • Well I mean, I’m a mixed race latina too. My Latina part is not white, and my white part is white. Floriana Lima is only the white parts, none of the Latina parts. So that’s the difference between us and her.

      And my full name is Melínda Chavela Valdivia Rude. Is that Latina enough for me to pass your test?

      • @Mey okay sorry, I’ve worded my argument very wrong/rudely and for that I want to give me my honest apologies. here’s the thing. sg is not the only one to fuck up and sadly won’t be the last. the problem is the difference of ‘latinx’ between the US and Europe (and even within europe there are problems). another problem is is that non-latinx people especially in media industries don’t even bother to look up latinx history and assume things based on skin tone and that’s a worldwide problem, since they do exactly the same in The Netherlands.

        Like I said you have every right to be angry, frustrated about the situation because I do think that the producers fucked up. however I do think it’s unfair to put Maggie as a worst character. if this were a ‘worst actress to play a lgbt character’I wouldn’t mind fl being rated as low as you want. but since this is a ‘best/worst character’ it makes a difference because fl isn’t maggie and vice versa. her portrayer aside maggie is a good character, especially in that hell year called 2016.

        I come from a situation I do get racial slurs about my appearance on daily basis (from the latinx side as well as the european side) so I don’t wanna Judge people on their first look. If/when fl explicitly confirms that she isn’t latinx (or at least mixed) then I’ll Judge but for now I stay neutral.

        honestly I am tired of this whole trainwreck and the fact that non-latinx started it to begin with. so I want to apologize for my tone again on my first message and for offending people if that was the case since I didn’t meant to. best of luck to anyone who is effected by this mess. god forbid we need it, since things are already fucked up enough as it is.

    • Hi,
      I get why Mey is angry/disappointed. I, as a white Latina (with multiple different ethnic backgrounds, like many Latinx) cannot know how it must feel for a non-white Latina to noit be represented as such. I am from Uruguay, from Italian and Spanish descent (and many other roots). While I have tons of privilege concerning my skin tone and ethnicity, I want to agree that maybe this is a US vs. Europe issue? In Europe, being white or non-white is a multi-faceted issue in the sense that some people in Spain, Italy, France or Eastern Europe have darker skin tones, and therefore endure a lot of prejudice which I would compare to or even call racism. This is why there can definitely be non-white Italians. Some people here in Germany, where I live, see me as non-white. Also, while I am of mostly European descent, I identify as a (white) Latina (with a lot of privilege). I identify with Latinx culture (which is heavily influenced by different cultures, obviously colonialism plays a part in that), I identify with Latinx history, with Latinx resistance against neo-colonialism and fascism, my family had to leave Latin-America bc of these things. So, while I understand that I am white and have tons of privilege, I just wanted to say that, yes, there are white Latinx, and many of them (in Argentina and Uruguay) are from Italian descent. It is a really complex issue, especially regarding the different views on “race” in Europe and the US. Love, M.

      • This is very well articulated. I’m Uruguayan with Spanish/Italian heritage living in Australia (my family left Uruguay for the same reasons as yours).

        Racism in Australia is also very complex due to waves of immigration from different parts of the world (our immigration minister recently said that allowing Lebanese immigrants in the 70’s was a mistake) and our horrid and for the most part unacknowledged history of colonialism and slavery.

        While there are lots of complexities to it, and while I love Maggie and even FL’s portrayal I’m frustrated as well so I appreciate Mey’s assessment.

    • I’m mixed race latina and you don’t speak for all of us. Floriana is a grown woman who doesn’t have to keep taking Latina roles when she’s not qualified and having family in a country doesn’t mean she has genetic ties to Brazil.

      • Was the role advertised as a Latina role though? If it was then Floriana or her agent are possibly at fault for going for the role, but if it wasn’t and the producers assumed her ethnicity based on her skin colour then isn’t the person at fault the casting director David Rapaport? But I know how it is, he’s white, a man, and probably straight so it’s easier to attack the actress rather than question his choices.

    • As a lurker on this site for far too long, I signed up today because I agree with you in terms of… I have never felt free to be who I am because I knew it was never good enough for someone else. My heritage is something I’m proud of, my sexuality on the other hand is unwelcome. It broke my heart tonight to see all the judging, on both sides. I come here for peace, which is why it physically hurt to hear someone else here tell everybody what someone else was. Who they are. I get it. But as my very first comment here I wish to say that you all have saved me in so many, many ways. I absolutely love you.

  9. Thank you, Elaine! You always show so much respect to Wentworth and how it made its loyal viewers feel this season. I am so glad to see you on this list and for a chance to hear you talk about Queen Bea and Allie again.

  10. More of The Best now that I’m done crying about Amy Raudenfeld and how this post may be the last time anyone ever says her whole name, except for me on my Tumblr:

    – Ophelia from Sweet/Vicious, a part-time weed dealer and part-time vigilante who beats up rapists.
    – Shelly from Transparent, who made me cry this season when she stood up for her family and sang to a cruise full of people.
    – Tig from One Mississippi, who bravely dealt with losing her mom and renewed memories of her childhood sexual assault when she returned to her hometown for a difficult summer.

  11. As a Latina who’s tired of the Super Girl fandom invalidating those of us who feel cheated by floriana Limas casting THANK YOU!!! We’re being told to get over it and deal with it the same way straight people have insisted lgbtq community for years when the truth “ruined” something for them.

      • Then the producers shouldn’t have called her that in an interview, it shouldn’t have appeared on IMDb, and she shouldn’t have taken other Latinas roles in the past. Floriana is white, Maggie was Latina/is now referred to on air as “non white”. It’s ok for us Latinas to be upset. Stop invalidating us.

        • You don’t speak for “us Latinas”. A lot of us aren’t bothered by this, probably because we know better than to invalidate someone’s race and how they identify as based on their ethnicity.

  12. I didn’t even get to enjoy this list because I was so distraught over the comments being made against Mey’s selection of Maggie for this year’s worst list. It’s like the worst of tumblr has somehow made it’s way over the AS comment thread :(

    Perhaps Mey didn’t know that this has been an ongoing fandom battle that she just stepped into? If so, I am sorry. But I am glad you did. Thank you.

    Anyway, I’ll use my space to applaud @meyrude! Thank you Mey for standing up for us Latinxs.

    What Supergirl did was wrong. I have yet to meet a queer Latina (on the internet or otherwise) who isn’t offended. The fact that some many people are speaking over the legitimate concerns of U.S. Latinxs because they think it’s more important to defend “ship” over… the institutional racism in the media that we are all subject to, well that’s very disconcerting for me.

    Maggie Sawyer was promised to be cast as a Latina, as was stated in pre-season 2 press. Want to read it for yourself, check it here: http://ew.com/article/2016/10/07/supergirl-season-2-cw-spoilers/

    From her first episode on the show, she was expressly coded as being Latina. It was clearly implied that her being a queer Latina was what allowed her to connect to the “aliens” that were being discriminated against on the show. They were EXPLICTLY playing to a Latinx narrative- the parallel between persecuted sci-fi “alien” and persecuted PoC immigrant “alien” was lost on no one. In fact, it was applauded by many in fandom and tv critic circles alike, including this very website.

    When it became more public knowledge that Floriana Lima was of white ethnic heritage and does not identify as a woman of color, let alone as a Latina or Latinx person- that should outrage EVERYBODY. Her casting was a by-product of institutional racism and it was wrong. Flat out.

    And, while I don’t mean to offend anyone with the following statement it has to be said, how Floriana’s racial make up would be understood in Italy or in Europe has little bearing on the conversation at hand. It’s a derailment. Supergirl is a US-produced show. With US writers and US casting directors who have a clear understanding of how race works in this country. And in *this* country, Floriana is understood as white. A person of Italian, X, X, X ancenstry is understood as white. That is how the social construction works.

    A fact that Floriana is well aware of, as she does not personaly identify as a woman of color.

    Go ahead and love Supergirl. Go ahead and love Alex Danvers. Go ahead and love Sanvers. Heck, Go Ahead and love Maggie Sawyer if she speaks to you. I love lots of things that are problematic. It’s the nature of fandom.

    BUT, You DON’T get to pretend that the racist thing that happened behind the scenes of the show didn’t happened because it pops your pretty pink fandom bubble.

    That is NOT how this works.

    • THANK YOU for this! I don’t watch the show so I couldn’t articulate at all any of the details you got in to, but I am so fucking irate over the comments on this post. If Autostraddlers can’t understand institutional racism and the importance of representation…well, that doesn’t make me feel very hopeful for the rest of the world.

    • I want to clarify one quick thing: When I wrote “Floriana is understood as white. A person of Italian, X, X, X ancenstry is understood as white.”

      I meant to go back and include her English, German and Irish ancestry. The “X, X, X” were placeholders until I could go back and fill it in with correct information. It was not- under absolutely any circumstance- meant to belittle her heritage.

      I wouldn’t want to belittle anyone’s heritage. I think it’s great that Floriana has a strong Italian heritage and family that she’s proud of. We should all get to be proud of where we come from.

      Which… is why Latinx viewers of Supergirl should have the right to see someone from our community actually representing us on television in the first place.

    • Not trying to doubt or disagree with you, just curious if you have a source on her not personally identifying as a person of color? I haven’t been following this drama recently but last I heard no one had found anything from Floriana herself about her racial/ethnic identity except that she once talked about identifying as Italian.

      • She never did. The best we can go by is the brown emojis she uses and the pre-Supergirl instagram posts of her and best friends where they refer to each other as brownies. As for her heritage, yeah, it is no secret to anyone in the Supergirl fandom. She’s talked about it [being Italian-American] a couple of times, even about family in Brazil (even though she admitted she isn’t fluent in another language).

      • Hi @platypus, I am happy to clarify. When I said that she doesn’t personally identify as a person of color, I was referring to the fact that she defines herself as Italian.

        And yes, Italians can be people of color. But, in the United States (I don’t know if you are American or not, so I don’t like to assume) “Italian” is understood as a white ethnicity, regardless of skin tone. So, if someone is “black Italian” or “Latina italian” or so forth, they usually: 1. Identify as such 2. Are talking about having mixed black or Latina ancestry, etc.

        One of the lead actresses of the show “Once Upon A Time” is a white Latina named Lana Parrilla. She identifies as a Italian Latina because her mother is Italian and her father is Puerto Rican.

        Earlier in this thread, Mey identified as a mixed race white Latina. I won’t speak for her, but I’ve seen her refer to her Latina and white relatives in the past.

        I identify as a black Latina, because one of my parents is African American and the other is Latinx.

        In this country, “people of color” is not specifically tied to skin tone. That’s not how we’ve historically constructed race.

        A person of Italian, English, German and Irish ancestry- who publicly identifies as Italian- is not identifying as a woman of color. If that was what she intended to say, she would have explictly said so.

    • You have yet to meet a queer Latina? I don’t think you looked hard enough. I am one. And you will find plenty more online if you bother to burst your comfort bubble.

      While I agree that a non Latinx actor taking on Latinx roles is problematic, until that is actually canon on Supergirl, which it isn’t, I won’t fret. Execs often “promise” a lot and don’t deliver. It is just as possible that they thought Floriana herself was Latina, given her very Latina name. Lima is a Portuguese last name which is as common in Brazil as Smith or Jones in the US. He also said Maggie would say she grew up as Latina and yet that was never on the show. Maggie was never coded as being Latina. That’s just you reaching. Her being a person of color, of any ethnicity in which her race wasn’t white passing would figure into her background just as much. Also, Floriana uses brown emojis everywhere and her and her friends refer to her as “brownie”. Never has she stated anywhere that she doesn’t consider herself as a woman of color. It doesn’t matter what this racist ignorant ass country understands race and ethnicity as, assuming someone is white because they are caucasian IS just as ignorant anywhere in the world. And referring to all Italians as white is just as racist and harmful.

      Fact of the matter is, we are talking Maggie here. And listing Maggie as one of the worst queer characters of the past year because you have issues with her casting is embarrassing.

      • Wow Krista, I am a queer Latina, so I have actually met one, yes.

        I was saying that I hadn’t yet met one (a queer US Latina, that is) who wasn’t offended by Floriana’s casting. But, now I can say that I have, thank you.

        My opinion- and the opinion of Mey and so many other Latinx folks who have spoken out on this thread- still stands.

        And I would venture to say that you are missing the points of my post, based on your response. But that’s ok.

        Pleasure to meet you. I’m on the AS threads often. Say hi, sometime! Would love to get to know you better when it’s not a moment that you feel a need to be so condescending in tone, yeah? Sound good?

        (Also, this is besides the point, but for what it’s worth: I’m only one person and not representative of the community, but as a woman of color- if my friends thought it was ok to call me “brownie” based on my skin tone- well, we wouldn’t be friends anymore)

        • Being that most of your comment was a bunch of assumptions, I’d say any condescension was a reply to yours.

          I am a queer US Latina. My parents are Brazilian/Mexican. Do we have to meet in person for that to be validated?

          I was upset when I found out she wasn’t Latina, because rep is very much needed (especially on superhero shows), however, until it is stated in canon that she is Latina, I am not going to throw a tantrum. She is not white passing, the actress from the little we’ve seen does not identify herself as white. She is doing a great job as Maggie, who is a very decent and important character in itself and should not figure into *any* worst lists because the actress/producers are problematic (and I do consider them problematic). That is specifically what folks who disagreed with Mey are having an issue with.

          And no, you definitely don’t speak for anyone in the community as obviously, even within the Latinx community, people are disagreeing over this.

          (Regardless of how you would feel – this isn’t about you – her not white passing friends refer to her and themselves as non-white by using that term and the brown emojis which invalidates your assumption that she doesn’t identify as non-white. Just because she has never explicitly announced to the world what she identifies as doesn’t make it ok for anyone to assume one way or another.)

          • I already yielded that I can no longer say that I haven’t met a queer US Latina who wasn’t offended by her casting, because I met you. I had not previously met one. Now I have.

            … Though it seems that you also admit to being at least a bit upset when you found out, right? I don’t think that people (Mey or myself or anyone else) is “throwing a tantrum” for expressing our opinions. Mey is employed by Autostraddle to do so, in fact.

            I do not pressume to speak for every Latinx person. I have been clear about that. But, I will not back down from standing up for the many, many of us who have felt bullied or “ganged up on” by fandom for expressing our concerns about the racist practice behind Fliorana’s hiring. Which you also admit to at least having concerns about, even if they don’t bother you to the extent that they seem to bother us. That is fine.

            We can agree to disagree about Fliorana’s understanding of herself as woman of color or not. I hold to my beliefs, they are rooted in both personal experience and professional study, but I’m not out here to change yours.

            We can agree to disagree about whether or not the decision behind her casting so bear any weight on Maggie’s placement on this list. I think it should. Obviously, Mey agrees. The other AS editors must have agreed enough to publish it. Other Latinx people on this thread have agreed. You and others feel differently (though… I think calling it an “embarrassment” was a bit strongly worded). These lists are objective.

            I still think that what Mey did was a brave stand to take, because so many other Latinas who have raised our concerns have been brutally drowned out and pushed aside by the Sanvers and Supergirl fandoms. I am glad she used her platform to echo our concerns, because so many have refused to acknowledge them.

            I suspect that we will have to agree to disagree about that to. But, this post started out as a “Thank you!” to her.

            If you feel like you would like to continue your opinions against Mey or in support of Fliorana or belitting those of us outraged at the racist practice of her casting as having “tantrums” whaever else have you, I would appreciate it if you would start a separate post and deal with it there. We have both unecessarily contributed to the delrailment of my original post and I think it’s best for us to part ways here.

            Thanks

    • Absolutely agree she was coded as Latina with the whole “alien” thing. I even rolled my eyes at it at the time. I didn’t know about the actress’s heritage before reading this. So disappointed they didn’t hire a Latina actress to play Maggie if they wanted to make those parallels. If they were set on Lima I don’t understand why they promoted and coded Maggie as Latina. She rightfully belongs on this list for racebending, even if Sanvers is an adorable trainwreck-in-waiting.

    • Well here’s the thing. as a fellow latinx I agree that the producers of sg messed up and I do think that you have every right to be angry, just as you have every right to dislike sg/maggie/floriana. However I do believe that the problem is deeply planted within the media and continents. here’s the thing: fl would be classefied as white in the us, while here she would be classefied as mixed latinx. it’s possible that she considers herself Italian because she’s raised by her mom (she did mention she was raised by her single mom, so it’s possible that she’s part brazilian on her dad’s side since she has family in Rio).

      I for example don’t consider myself Italian despite being part Italian, because I was raised in a Nicaraguan/Dutch upbringing by my mom. A friend of mine doesn’t consider himself colombian because he is raised by Dutch.

      As for media representation they will always mess up, sg is not the first and won’t be the last. And then we have the male/female double standart. Jane The Virgin which is classefied as a latinx novela has 2 non-latinx actors casted in lead roles (one of them being a white Canadian). Yet there is no uproar about that, is that because they are male?

      Then there are mixed latinx like me who get racial slurs on a daily basis. In Nicaragua I’m too white to be latin yet in Holland I’m to dark to be Dutch. I would to have a healthy dicussion to clear the air between both parties, but it should not escalate other media platforms and create a rift in the community. Especially since this thing started by white non-latinx.

      Also I’m :/ on miss Lima and if this were a ‘best and worst actress’thing I would vote her low. But since this is about lgbt characters I vote maggie high. because fl isn’t maggie and maggie isn’t fl. but also because maggie was such a a breath of positive air in a year full of darkness, death and doom.

      While I do respect your stance and feelings about this issue. I truly hope that you won’t feel offended if a lot of mixed latinx (like me) are neutral/don’t mind the issue. Since there are also a lot of latinx who aren’t mad about it.

      Greetings, a fellow Latinx

      • Re Jane the Virgin: as far as I know, that show has consistently portrayed Rafael Solano, his father Emilio Solano, and his mother Elena Di Nola as Italian (not even Italian-American; the parents come from Italy). Emilio was often off-stage in Italy, Jane and her family are surprised to learn that Rafael speaks Spanish, Elena has a noticeable Italian accent, etc.

        A lot of critics and viewers have assumed the Solanos were wealthy Latinos, but the show itself hasn’t made that claim. Rafael’s half-sister, Luisa Alver, is Latina through her mother, but the fact that they have different mothers is a major plot point on the show.

    • C.P., I really love your point that Supergirl coded Maggie Sawyer’s character as Latina through her connection with the aliens. I hadn’t thought about that at all, but now that I do, I can see that it’s very true.

      It’s also in keeping with the larger themes of the season (in which Supergirl has tried to address real-life tensions around immigration with the alien metaphor, with mixed and sometimes problematic results).

      And I appreciate not just the new information, but the reminder that there is often more of a connection between the casting choices & show production level being discussed here, and the actual stories told than some of us realize on a conscious level.

    • Just wanted to add my voice as another Latina who is NOT offended because Floriana isn’t Latina.

      Forgive me, but I really don’t understand why the actor behind a role has to be of the same background as a character. Does she have to be gay IRL too? To me this whole argument is just as silly as saying a straight actor can’t pass as a gay character or vice versa. Europe isn’t all white, it’s just as diverse as America is, I’ve met plenty of Europeans who are can be anything but white. But by American standards European = white so I guess Floriana won’t “pass” for white roles either. Guess she’s stuck auditioning only for roles where the character is a woman of color of an unspecified background. And the backstory will always remain a mystery or risk angering the internet.

      As for Maggie being person of color vs Latina, I honestly believe they originally intended to bring in Renee Montoya on to the show who is actually a Latina character. The CW version of Maggie Sawyer has been modeled after Montoya and they really only borrowed the name from a white character in the same comic. So there is definitely no white washing with this character. They probably couldn’t really bring in Montoya because the character was recently used in Gotham. They did the same thing with Olsen who is NOT black in the comic. Considering they already put in the effort to adapt the characters to be a closer representation of America today, I think they deserve some slack for giving the role to whoever they felt screened the best, which was Floriana. Would you have preferred a Latina with mediocre chemistry with Chyler in the name of authenticity on a fictional show?

      I honestly love Floriana Lima and how she plays the CW Maggie Sawyer. If I were to get offended because I’m not being accurately represented on TV then I would have to get offended at every Latin character because the vast majority of them are Mexican/Puerto Rican and other Latinos don’t seem to exist on TV. At what point can people stop splitting hairs?

      Anyway I’m not trying to start a flame war, just adding my voice to this conversation since your comment seemed to generalize how all the queer Latinas feel about this casting choice.

  13. My best pick for 2016 that hasn’t been covered on Autostraddle yet is Lagertha from Vikings. She was just revealed to have a girlfriend after a time jump and has in the last few episodes, between having very cute moments with said girlfriend, continued to be a powerful leader for her people, ambitious without apology, and a supporter of fellow women. I’ve always been hearteyes for her, and now that she’s on the team I just…! Plus her girlfriend has a really cute gay haircut.

  14. Wow! Do we really need to expend all of this energy fighting about whether someone with Italian heritage can be considered a POC? Clearly Mey doesn’t think so, it sounds like a lot of Latinx people are upset about the casting, why can’t we listen to them, do what you will with that info, and MOVE ON? This is an entertainment round-up. You can still love the character. She can be a problematic fave. Or maybe you don’t consider her problematic. Whatever. Why are so many people unable to come into these conversations with the writers in good faith? It’s getting really really old.

    • Agreed.

      Though personally, to me Mey’s phrasing (‘tan Italians’ especially, is this only offensive in Europe?) seemed uncharacteristically condescending and frankly kinda racist, which did not make me very eager to engage thoughtfully with what she was saying TBH.

        • I assumed as much, but just a heads up this is a dismissive a term thrown around about people from southern Europe to imply they’re not really white (because it’s not necessarily a tan) and especially about Middle Eastern people as a slur implying they’re trying to be white. It got my heckles up for sure – and not to be too critical but regardless of intention you’re implicitly criticizing a persons skin tone and implying it’s a tan rather than just what she looks like. As tan Italian is the racist go-to image for a person being deceptive about their ethnicity, at least for me it had some undertones I think are best avoided.

          I know you to be a thoughtful and wonderful writer and I didn’t assume you were trying to be hurtful or implying that Floriana Lima was deceptive about her ethnicity or race, but this was perhaps not the best worded way to make your point.

          • Ah, thanks Eva! I was wondering for a long while why there was such an outrage over Floriana Lima not being colored enough for playing a POC.
            I really didn’t get it until your comment made me realize that I had a European viewpoint where we’re more likely to differentiate between Southern and Northern (and Eastern) Europeans.
            Now, if I got it correctly, Italians are actually considered white in the US, because they are part of a more uh, initial wave of immigration, whereas Latinx tend to be more South America based?
            People with Spanish only ancestry would then be also considered white?
            What about Brazilians?
            Everything about this is really confusing.

        • How in the world is that different? You think any POC Italian is tanned? You don’t even seem to grasp the very fact that there are POC in Italy, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

    • Arguing with Mey is one of my favorite past-times. You can’t take this from me, queer girl, YA JUST CAHN’T. (but seriously, if anyone thinks Mey’s placement of Maggie on this list is problematic, that’s silly because the real outrage is that Hollywood keeps casting white people as POC. Also re: this actual discussion. how else are we ever to learn?)

  15. Bea Smith! Yes!!! And Ballie. Sigh. I started watching Wentworth thanks to your recaps and I still love it. Does it make me cry and scream and feel devastated when I watch it? Yep, but I wouldn’t stop for anything.

    Also major agreement on Alex Danvers – her coming out story was raw and pure, and unlike anything I’ve seen on TV. Also Waverly and Nicole on Wynonna Earp. So many hearts for those two, and their story, and the bullet proof vest!!!

  16. For me, the best:
    1) ALEX DANVERS / SAN JUNIPERO (they made me feel so. many. things. They don’t belong to the awfulness that was 2016)
    2) Root and Shaw (I miss you, POI)
    3) Waverly Earp (because I’m in love with her)

    For the worst I would say Callie Torres but she was so out of character that I refused to accept that that person was really her. I’m trying to forget everything she did in the last season so she can remain one of my favourite bisexual characters ever.

  17. Moving away from the Floriana Lima/ Maggie Sawyer debate, and on to OTHER THINGS.

    Heather Hogan- I loved each of your “Best” write ups, but in particuarly your writing about Annalise and your sharp critique of OITNB’s decision regarding Poussey just made my heart sing!!! We need more of this in the world! You took all of the words about both characters right out of my mouth. Thank you.

    And I’m so happy to see Trace Lysette on this list twice (for “Drunk History” and “Transparent”)!!!!!! She was almost without a doubt my “most improved player” of this TV season. I felt like between her larger role in Transparent and her Drunk History work, I really got to appreciate what she can do. She is so talented. Wow.

    The last season of Grey’s Anatomy- and most importantly, the develution of Callie Torres’ character- did not happen. I have wiped it from memory. The end.

    • Ah man, I gave up on Jane the Virgin at the end of season 1 bc I mistimed my watching of it and was locked out of some episodes. All of this talk about Luisa/the show in general as a feminist show makes me think I should find the episodes and pick up watching it again

  18. Since I finished Person of Interest a week ago – ROOT AND SHAW. And I’m heartbroken more than I can express. After “6,741” I wasn’t really crying, I was just shaking and keep thinking “SHAW LITERALLY DIED 6,741 TIMES FOR ROOT OH MY GOD”. I wasn’t that shook since “The Gift” in Buffy and well, it says a lot. They love each other so much and they are so hot and they have such an awesome dynamic. Hey, Root wanted to torture Shaw with hot iron the first time they met, that’s my type of OTP. And Jenna – I’d totally watch Sarah read the phone book too. It would probably be amazing.
    I’m on 1×4 episode of Supergirl and I can’t wait for Sanvers! And I’m planning to finally watch Wynonna Earp then.

  19. Literally everything that exists in my head all in one article :)
    A few things:
    1. To Heather and Mey, thank you both for loving Steven Universe as much as I do. That being said, where is all the Pearl love? Would love to see a review on Last One Out of Beach City or Mr. Greg. I firmly believe Pearl is the gayest thing on this show and that’s saying a lot haha.

    2. Literally yes to everything Alex Danvers. That might have won my 2016 TV feels honestly.

    3. The fact that Sara Harvey happened this year tells me that 2016 was just way too long.

    4. One million other things right about this article, but this comment is long.

    Thanks AS team :)

    • Pearl!!!!!!! I only recently started watching SU (my wife and I devoured the entire series to-date in about a week or so) and she has stolen/broken my heart. She’s tragic and perfect and I just want to protect her. Fingers crossed that something happens with her and mystery girl with pink hair <3

  20. If you insist on calling a brown skinned person who I’m certain has grown up dealing with racism (and Hollywood racism) white, you are being bigoted in my opinion. This is a very complex issue I understand, but simply continuing to insist against all nuance that she’s white despite the skin she grew up inside of, that just feels pretty shitty to me. She’s too brown to get cast in white roles but she shouldn’t audition for the few roles available to her either I guess? Even though she’s never said Latina on the show and we have no evidence the character is explicitly that other than one possibly misguided interview?

    I’m not going to demand every PoC pass a test before they get my sympathy for living in as racist a country as this one.

    • I mean, she’s literally not a poc. The only criteria I have for poc is that they’re poc. Donald trump doesn’t have white skin, Rachel dolezal “passed” as a black person, neither of them are people of color.

          • look guys, I get why Erin is frustrated but also why CP and Mey are angry at the situation since the producers messed up. But listen instead of fighting or attacking an actress we should listen and fight the main problem instead which is the media industry as a whole. here are some shitty things that can happen:

            1. supergirl ends the sanvers storyline and FL gets fired.
            2. meanwhile looking for other roles and just living in daily live she still gets judged for her dark skin tone and appearance in general
            3. The audience and younger generation of kids will lose a good healthy representation. Meanwhile the casting director will rub some extra salt and cast a white skinned hot blonde as a new interest for Alex (especially since Maggie Sawyer is white skinned and blonde in the comics)

            Fact is that casting dicators/industries won’t change as long as we pit ourselfs against each other and actresses. Jane The Virgin casted a white skinned Canadian as a latino in a telenovela, yet gets away with it. We shouldn’t let ourselfs be consumed by anger
            and instead battle the industry so they’ll have take more POC’s for upcoming series/movie. As for FL, she does play Maggie amazingly and I won’t judge her until she explicitly/openly talks and explains about her ethnicity.

          • This entire thread could’ve had a much more logical discourse if more people went through that twitter link.

  21. You’re really going to put that racist caricature Lexa as one of the best characters? Yeah, this isn’t the best way to convince people that the 100 doesn’t cater to white people after everything that’s gone down over the past few days.

  22. Favourite:

    * Alex Danvers: I was really excited for her coming out sl cause shes an awesome character portrayed by an awesome actress. And her coming out storyline truly blew me away. Like every step of her coming out I could recognize as something I went through. And it was so nice to finally see something that was so close to my experience played out on television.

    Like one of my favourite moments for her character was when she says its her new reality and shes happy with it. Like she has this a-ha moment in which everything about herself that felt wrong starts to make sense .Like why it felt wrong and at first she struggles with that but in the end she is happy about it. And I think that is such an important thing to show. I mean theres other moments I really like but that was one of my favourites :)

    I also really like Maggie(and Florianas performance as Maggie). I think shes a great addition to supergirl and am excited to learn more about Maggie in the rest of the season.. Both individually and in the Sanvers relation. I really loved how she helped Alex come to terms with being gay. Like she listened to her and let Alex figure it out herself but at the same time helped her with all the steps. She was a great friend to Alex and now I hope shes also gonna be a great girlfried

    Other favourite:

    * Root/Shaw: I love them both. They are two of the most badass characters that I have ever seen on television. And to see their relation portrayed like this on television was really cool. I loved everything about these characters.. I wasnt really happy with how it ended though. But it does not lessen my love for their storyline.

    So thats it for me

    • Calliope Torres is the exact opposite of being classified as one of the worst LGBTQ+ characters. She has been herself through her whole journey (even with the mess in S12) & has made so many lgbt people proud to be who they are. We got to watch her fall in love with a man, have her heart broken, discover that she could love women too, and that she DOES love women. She has married, she has loved and she fought for who she was no matter who she lost in the process. Calliope Torres embraced who she was and flaunted it, and that’s one of the things I love most about her. Just because she ran off with a women she loved (even if the writer’s of the show did a horrible job in showing that chemistry & actual development) it doesn’t mean her, as a badass bisexual women, has been lessened. Calliope Torres is and always will be one of the best lgbtq characters on television.

  23. Was waiting for this list to come back, just so i would have a reason to go back and binge supergirl again.Also Shoot was the first ship that i ever shipped so it will always have a place in my heart. Speaking of ships, i don’t think that Yara Greyjoy is written in any way that could be interpreted as such. Like considering where she is from it would be really weird for her to act in any manner other than what she has been up to this point.

  24. Six months ago, I thought I’d be over Poussey’s death. Instead, I’m still salty and have forced every single one of my friends into long discussions about 1) how OITNB has a glaring double standard about the sexuality of white women versus that of black women and 2) how respectability politics have tainted show forever.

    Maybe I need another six months.

    • I’m salty over it still and I didn’t even finish season 2.
      That’s just how lovable Poussey is and fucking pointless her death was.

      Need to teach fellow white people something? Kill off a minority character.
      Still internally screaming “what the fuck!”

    • I’m not over it and I haven’t even watched the season yet.

      I saw a spoiler about Poussey’s death before I could even start the season and decided that I didn’t even need to waste my time.

      And this was after not finishing the second season because I’d been spoiled about what happened to Sophia.

      • Sometimes I try to think about all the things I loved about the show, but then i remember how many compromises I had to make (ie accepting boring, self-righteous, narcissistic Piper Chapman as a main character while people like Miss Claudette and Tasty and Chang only get tapped into for solid B storylines) and it makes me feel bummed.

        So many great things about that show, but in four years they haven’t figured out that diverse casts benefit from diverse writing staffs.

      • Just a warning the gay stuff does get interrupted by what you’re going to assume is Bury Your Gays but NOPE they come back stronger with more confidence when a straight couple in like S3 was in a similar situation didn’t. It made me all misty b/c Patsy like opens up and that’s a hard thing of her to do.
        You’ll find out why when you get to about S3EP5, I think.

        Also Delia’s welsh parents experience ticks me as person from provincial place. x3

    • Ugh I love them so much, and the show in general. Criminally underdiscussed imho.

      They are still both around as of the Holiday Special (though they’re not in it much as they stay back at Nonnatus House & the story goes to South Africa).

  25. I come from an Italian background my grandparents came directly from Italy to America, However my grandfathers sister went from Italy to Argentina had a couple of kids in Argentina and then moved to America the kids are Argentinian but still technically Italian too, it’s a very blurred line.
    Mark Consuelos was born in Italy to Mexican parents and lived there until he was about 6, what “box” would you check for him?
    I knew a girl in high school who was Spanish from Spain and didn’t like being referred to as Latina or Hispanic.
    There was even controversy of Jennifer Lopez a Puerto Rican playing Mexican Selena and JLo’s character in the Wedding Planner was Italian.
    Brits play American, Chris Hemsworth an Australian played Thor who is Norwegian (i think), Alexis Bledel and Cameron Diaz are Latina but they almost never get cast as such because they don’t “look it”.
    The producer said Maggie was going to be Latina before they cast anybody, if Floriana had the look they were going for then great for her. Because short of swabbing her cheek and sending her DNA to ancestry.com to get her genetic heritage makeup you don’t know what percentage Latina she could be.
    And I think Floriana/Maggie not being Latina is not a good reason for her being on the Worst list because let’s not forget Maggie actually had blonde hair and blue eyes.

  26. I’m not going to weigh in on the Floriana Lima controversy other than to say that the amount of stalking that people (on both sides) are doing to try to determine her race (including scouring her non-famous friends’ social media, looking her relatives up on ancestry sites, and even tweeting her grandfather) leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

  27. We’re 52 days away from the Academy Awards.

    If the prognosticators are to be believed, on that night, Viola Davis will collect her long overdue Oscar for her work in the film adaptation of Fences.

    And then, four nights later, I’ll get to watch that same actress inhabit this complicated bisexual character on primetime television.

    That. Is. Amazing.

    I adore Annalise Keating. She makes me feel as seen as any other television character has and I’m so grateful she exists.

    Also, just because I never got to post it in the comments of a Boobs On Your Tube column, this wonderful moment from the HTGAWM winter finale:

    Michaela and Laurel

  28. The Worst…Alison Delaurentis and Emily Fields. It will be a disservice to fans of 7 years of the show if they make Alison and Emily end game. There is a lot of talk of how Ezra was a predator but Alison had the manipulation game on lock with Emily and every time Emily falls for it. I’m including Emily in with the worst because of the stupid egg story line.
    And yes whoever said Callie Torres…agreed!

    The Best…Waverly and Nicole they are a given because they both survived.
    Yorkie and Kelly gave me feels for so long after. The more you watch it, the more nuanced it becomes. Shame it was only a 1 off.
    Allie Novak on Wentworth became my spirit animal.

    And Riese I just want to give you props “Amy, a tomboy femme with an annoying straight best friend she’s in love with.” so many people gave Karma the benefit of the doubt but I always thought she was conceited and never treated Amy with any mutual respect. Thank you.

  29. What a load of bs. Why even make a worst list? What’s next worst POC character? Worst disabled character?

    Anyway, about the race thing. First of all, Maggie never said she’s latina.
    Maggie Sawyer is a butch-y, blonde, white woman in the comics. The didn’t look for a specific race when they cast that character (they aren’t even allowed to ask what the actors race it). Floriana auditioned and they liked her. So she didn’t steal a role from a latinx actor. The producers assumed that she is latina before they started filming, mentioned it in an interview but corrected themselves later on and described her as “non-white”. Which FL is, and you would know that if you’d done your research.

    I think it’s ridiculous that you put that character on a worst list when in fact she is nothing but a 100% positive representation. I wish we had more characters that are like her. She’s a role model for many and listing her is harmful. This is why we can’t have nice things.

    • But the US rules the world, didn’t you know? We don’t care if you have brown skin and consider yourself a POC and you are a POC anywhere else in the world. If we say you’re white, you’re white.

      /s

        • And the best freaking example as to how problematic umbrella terms are. I saw your comments bellow and some people doesn’t get it: we shared the same geographical space but, for the most part, that’s it. Every single country in South, Central and North America (Mexico is part of North America) has a different culture and many of us don’t like to be put togheter in a single freaking bag.

  30. i dont watch enough gay tv, so thanks for this list!

    also, the site’s getting such great traffic today because of this!! great work team! keep producing quality content just like this! i love you all! and so do all these people hate commenting, they’re just not able to express it in productive ways yet. it’s okay, we’re all growing.

  31. it was really cool to see opinions about all the queer tv characters from our writers as well as ex-afterellen writers ALL TOGETHER ON THIS WEBSITE and i hope it keeps happening

    also did we all forget to include callie’s terrible girlfriend from grey’s anatomy on the worst list because i think if you look up “the worst” in the dictionary, it’s a picture of her. do you guys know who i’m talking about. was that last year. have i lost track of time.

  32. I’ve been rubber-necking this insane comment section all day

    Please, everyone, get some sleep
    Eat your veggies
    Maybe stop spending hours at a time arguing with Internet strangers over the racial identity of a celebrity
    Love Y’all

  33. I really liked Jo (Jacqueline Toboni) in the episode Vegan Cinderella of Easy. Its so rare to see girls with pit hair or crotch hair. Chase (Kiersey Clemons) was also great, she was weird, a little messed up but so true to life to some people I know. Being gay was also just part of who the characters were, not their only facet, and I appreciated it.

    Only real criticism of the episode is that they didn’t take off their underwear while they were having sex??

  34. WAIT ACTUALLY OK for all the confused Europeans wondering why Italians are “white” in the U.S:

    From my understanding,

    Back in the day, when it came to Europeans who where not at the time considered white, Assimilation into “whiteness” in this country (the US) had a lot to do with dropping the native language of your family and speaking English.

    In earlyish America, To speak English was to Talk White.

    This happened with Italians, and it happened with white francophones & Louisiana-creolephones in Louisiana.

    (see: how the Anglo American concept of race tore a community in two)

    OK, now I need to take my own advice re: sleep

  35. How hard is it to understand people being disappointed/upset for a show to say a queer character was specifically going to Latina and then cast someone who does not ID as Latina in the role?

    Agree or disagree with the lists but telling or implying that how the show handled this shouldn’t matter or shouldn’t matter *that much* (because it doesn’t matter that much to you) is disrespectful.

    • Gretchen I think that everyone has the right to be disappointed, just as everyone as everyone has the right to be neutral. The problem is, is that Maggie doesn’t deserve to be on the worst list because she isn’t fl. Instead Maggie is an interesting character who, together with Alex and Sanvers, forms a great rep and comfort for the audience and a younger queer generation. Especially in recent dark times. Stating that Italians are just white with sun tanned skin is downright hurtfull to Italians as well, since south Italians (who look exactly like fl does) are already faced with discrimination especially from north Italians (who really do look white). Also both sides stalking a celeb and family/friends is downright wrong and creepy and this needs to stop. Anyway Maggie doesn’t deserve to be put on the worst. A good compromice would be to put Maggie on the best list but WITH a critical note written by latinx people who do feel hurt about the casting.

      Greetings from a Italian-latinx

    • Probably as hard as it is for some to understand that “they” said she was going to be Latina after Floriana had already been cast.

      I absolutely agree that Andrew Kreisberg didn’t handle this well, though and if anything/anyone, he should be the one stepping up and saying something.

    • I wrote a long comment about this and then my internet conked out SO.

      Yeah, the issue is that someone that was said to be a Latina character (and I’m going to go out on a limb and guess white people were behind casting) was cast with a person who is not Latina.

      And what’s worse is they either decided that someone who is racially ambiguous and with a somewhat dark complection is good enough to be a Latina, or they don’t actually care about that person being a Latina and just wanted to cast someone racially ambiguous and with a somewhat dark complection. Which is racist.

      I think what people are hearing when they see this whole issue is “this person is ethnically white and therefor they enjoy all the privileges of a visibly caucasian person in america” which obviously isn’t true. White people don’t give a shit if someone is ethnically white, if you don’t look white you ain’t white.

      But that doesn’t change the fact that casting a person who is not the race/ethnicity of the character is racist.

  36. I don’t mean to be condescending but everybody thinks that white lesbian representation on TV is soooo good?

    Yes I do know, as a latin woman, that our representation is crap, but this doesn’t mean that white lesbian representation is a lot better; yes, you have the biggest representation with this group of people, but still 80% of those characters will eneded up dead, the rest probably will be psycothic killers or just parking lot ghosts, so that’s not also a great representation either.

    And that is the issue, our represenntation as lesbians, bisexuals or queers is really fucked up, not just our racial/ethnic representation.

    As a latin I will be really looking forward not to be shown as maid, a dealer or any other similar stereotyped shit. As a lesbian, and you all can say I have the lowest standards, I only hope that the woman that looks like me doesn’t ended up dead (I guess I should thank TV geniuos showrunners for this lowest standards).

    I’m a latina, born in Argentina, of spanish, italian and diaguita decendents. If you take a look at me, at first sight, you all will called me white. The funny thing is that if you put me in front of my sister, and we do share the same parents, I’m a lot more darker than her (yes, my sister is white as Casper), so this doesn’t say a lot, no?

    I will always considered myself a latin and I don’t give a shit how other people see me or try to classified me because I really didn’t give a damn when all the world tried to fit me in the HETEROLAND little box (and mother did tried).

    I think Joanna Hausmann did said it a lot better than me… What the Fuck Is Identity?

  37. Agree 99.9%! :P I can’t back Jenna Marshall though. If that had simply been her storyline, great, but don’t forget she’s also a rapist — she forced/blackmailed her step brother into a sexual relationship that he didn’t want and has, over time, continued to try and pursue that relationship.

  38. I appreciate the Lexa bits and completely agree with them. She was one of the best female characters on network television in many, many years and the fact that she was openly queer and had this beautiful story with the show’s bisexual protagonist only added to that. Along with the off the charts chemistry between the actresses and their support. The potential was endless and the fact that it ended the way it did… well, I’m still not over that loss.

    The fact that the love for the character is still burning strong in so many ways in fandom makes it somewhat easier to cope, but I’m never going anywhere near the show itself or anything written by those responsible for the entire on and off screen mess that’s become The 100. I’ll happily support the wonderful Eliza Taylor (just like Alycia Debnam-Carey) in everything else she’ll do outside of the show in the future, though.

  39. I love this list, and I love how the writers were able to talk about some of the complexity we see in our representation. I especially love Heather’s write-ups; that one on Luisa is spot-on.

    As someone who doesn’t watch Game of Thrones, though, I have two questions: I understood from an earlier post here that Yara had been shown to have raped another woman on the show. Is that true (and if so, why is she here)? Second, can you explain to me why she isn’t just a terrible anti-butch stereotype? So many of the other descriptions (here’s looking at the Wentworth one, which was moving even to someone who’s never seen the show) totally me sold me on the complications of their characters, but I feel like I didn’t understand the Yara one.

    And I completely understand and have full sympathy if this website never wants to publish anything about Maggie Sawyer ever again, but I would love to see a piece that looked at her character as a whole on Supergirl. I understand she’s secondary to Alex and Kara, but it bothers me how little we know about her as a person outside her relationship with Alex, and I wonder if that’s connected to the question of her ethnicity.

    Finally, this list made me feel like there was more good in 2016 than I remembered, and that’s a huge accomplishment! Thank you!

  40. the list just got totally futile to me after seeing that you put piper and maggie on the worst list for such trivial and stupid reasons. they’re great characters who do represent a lot of queer women just like them. yes piper is not perfect, but she learns with her mistakes as we’ve seen, and her story as a bi character is totally relatable

  41. Lots of great characters on this list, especially love Alex and Maggie. This hunt for figuring out peoples ethnicity leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The only people that can be blamed for the current issue are the people who did the casting, not Floriana Lima, so put them on the worst list, not Maggie, who clearly stated she is ”non-white”.

  42. You know, this might have gotten way out of hand in a comment section kind of way, but honestly, I’ve just read through all of this, and maybe this is the time to discuss exactly this issue.
    What does PoC mean, Latinx, etc. and will you stand together as people who are and will be severely discriminated against in the next four years, or will you huddle together in your own, individual corners and exclude others who you perceive to have a different experience, be different or not enough or too little of one thing or another?
    One thing that I have noticed in my lily white country over the past year is, that racism actually changes.
    The Turkish, Persians and Polish that were still heavily discriminated against last year are now regular, settled and appreciated citizens, while everyone collectively decided to hate and fear anyone looking remotely anything Arabic.
    My friend from Egypt, who has been here 8 years suddenly gets his mailbox spray painted. People change seats on the subway.
    A refugee friend shaved his beard to look less threatening.
    This used not to be a thing!
    Now, I will not pretend that I have even an inkling of what is going down in the US, but I know a few things to be true:
    1.Being a person of color does not magically make you exempt from racism
    2.Profiling someone, anyone, really, for race and skin tone and then judging them on it is not ok.
    3.Stalking them, their familials:Wow. No, just no.
    4.Discrediting someone of their perceived identity:No go.
    5.Certain vocabulary, or phrases like tanning, etc., is not cool.Actually, it’s not acceptable.At all.

    Now, I don’t mean to be harsh, and I know that for a lot of you,the US is the axis the world hangs upon, but it really is not.
    Italian is a term for people other than someone’s great grandparents. They’re actual people, a lot of them also heavily discriminated against as immigrants, for their skin color, for their social status, their accents.
    I feel that a few have spoken up here and have simply been devalued and not heard.
    Also, People who look exactly like Floriana Lima are getting a shitload of BS in places like mine and a lot of other places. She is not white and neither does she pass as white.
    Obviously, if she considers herself brown, this has been her experience!
    Who am I to judge?
    Who are you?

    What I am trying to say is, that instead of discussing whether or not Maggie Sawyer’s character was meant to be Latinx or PoC and all the ways it is or isn’t and what does it even mean for kids, etc. a lot of derogatory, very personal things went down against the actress portraying one of the best characters this year with all her heart!
    What does it mean for the future if someone is not one thing or another enough? Is there going to be a devaluation of hate, discrimination or hurt they receive? Can’t it be, or can’t it be that bad, then?
    This was about an actress portraying a character that maybe was or wasn’t supposed, maybe, to be something that the actress really isn’t particularly, because.
    What is going to happen when things get more dire?
    More real?
    When discrimination against soandso isn’t as bad as..
    Things are going to become very bad with the new government in the US and they won’t be all bad at once, it will be little and different things and they will hurt different people differently, but all of that is going to be real and needs to be stood up against.
    And the question is whether you will stand together or apart.

    Damnit, Maggie Sawyer stood up on Television and said that it wasn’t easy growing up non straight and non white in a particular place in the US, and I get that you’re hurt she wasn’t what you felt was promised, but it’s important she did. It really is. For people who like to ignore that reality.

  43. Glad to see Delphine and Eleanor and Max were included. Wish there was a mention of General Hospital’s, Parker and Kristina, older/younger women dynamic. (Visit utube, Pristina clips, Feb-July). Also, how about a prediction: Kara/Supergirl&Lena Luther (Supercorps)

  44. I love this site and I love reading what you guys write, but I have an issue with what May Rude said about Maggie Sawyer:
    Maggie never said she was a Latina, we only know she is ‘non white’. I can understand how you would automatically think she is a Latina- I did, too. But it is unfair to assume someone’s ethnicity without the proper amount of information and then say they’re on the ‘Worst List’ when you’re not happy about it.

  45. I love this site and I love reading what you guys write, but I have an issue with what May Rude said about Maggie Sawyer:
    Maggie never said she was a Latina, we only know she is ‘non white’. I can understand how you would automatically think she is a Latina- I did, too. But it is unfair to assume someone’s ethnicity without the proper amount of information and then say they’re on the ‘Worst List’ when you’re not happy about it.

  46. Haven’t read the worst yet but I am SO GLAD Ali mentioned Willa! The Family had so much promise in the beginning, and even though it went wildly crazy, I loved it. I loved Birdie, and I loved Mama Warren, and I loved the complex storytelling, but most of all I loved Willa. I loved Willa Warren so much and I loved seeing someone as brilliant, cutthroat, and unapologetically ambitious as Willa onscreen. It was so wonderful seeing a woman in that role. And a queer woman at that!

    I really want that Willa spin-off.

  47. I’m AMAZED that you included Max and Eleanor, they’re both such great badass women and they WOULD make the ultimate power couple. Still, I’m rooting for Max and Anne Bonny. After the amount of times Eleanor has betrayed friends/lovers/assorted people…is she even capable of love? *shrug* But the fact that there’s 3 wlw among the 4 main females (and, spoiler for a show nobody watches: the straight woman dies) is. Just. Incredible. Not to mention a bi male protagonist. 4 out of the 8 main characters aren’t straight! 4 OUT OF 8. It seems ridiculous to get excited over the mere existence of people who happen to be queer but I guess I’m starved for representation. it’s a shame the show is so unknown!

  48. There is ~some poly representation on scripted tv, Riese! Admittedly it is on an obscure network, but I’ve super enjoyed You Me Her even if the premise sounds a bit lukewarm. The acting and chemistry between all the actors and actresses are there and quite entertaining! I wish AS had covered the show last year, but second season is premiering soon and it got renewed for a third one already if I remember correctly

  49. Great list! I Just wanted to stay that i really love this site and the issues and conversations it starts, but on the issue off Floriana Lima ethnicy i would like to clarify that latina aplies to anyone born or originally from south América,i’m a brazilian girl and therefore latina regardless of my skin color… Anyway this is no way a critcism to the site, just wanted to explain how we apply the word latina in Brazil and say that i’m also still mourning the completelly unecessary death off Lexa :(

      • So you disagree that anyone who is born brazilian is latino? Considering that the word applies to people from latin America? There is in fact a issue off brazilians thinking that we are really different from others latim people due to different history off colonization, but considering that its a North American show i think everybody can expect that they would see all south and central america as the same with is unfortunaly but realistic in the way American media tends to treat us in general. My point was only that being latina has nothing to do with skin tone,is has to do with where you or where your family comes from…Also since you are from Brazil too, i would like to ask if you seriously dont ser yourself as latina? I mean se dont reffer to ourselves as latinx because we all kind of are? But i know that the moment i step foot on other country that Will be how o Will be readed as. This is already getting to long but i would also like to comment that we had a president Who did great work on the relations between Brazil and the other countries of south American exactly because regardless of the Language we share many issues and identities…Have you ever read “open veins of latina América”? (I’m not sure If the translation to english is literal). Anyway i wanst trying to be rude and is nice to find another brazilian in here :)

    • I thought the words “Latina and Latino” were just words used by white people to bundle us all together. It’s way more efficient to check Hispanic or Latino than have a huge list of different nationalities and cultures. I’ve seen people from north and central america be called Latina too. It follows me around everywhere and I’m Mexican. I don’t see a big deal but then again, I am the type of person to check all sorts of ethnicity boxes for fun. “white?” Check. “Native?” Check. “Asian?” Well why the fuck not? Check. “Hispanic origin that is a completely separated option for some reason followed by are you a citizen?” Check and Check.

      I have no idea what I was trying to say, but yeah. Latina can be applied to more than just south americans.

        • Did you use Giselle Bundchen and Pele as examples because she is White? There até latinx people Who até White, Black and all kinds off colours and backgrounds, my father’s side off family is parts french, spanish and portuguese while my mother is black, and they and me are latinos evento though we have very different skin tones, my point was only that being latinx has to do with heritage and geography not skin tone.

          • What is considered Latino culture in the USA is not the culture I grew up with. I don’t identify with it and I don’t consider myself part of it. People may try to shove me in that box but I am Brazilian, period.

          • This kind of reminds me of being told I am not American because I am not white, but I’m not Mexican because I am born in America. Then I am told I cannot be a Mexican American. I’m starting to think language and label definition is the problem. I just want to be me. I don’t want someone undermining my cultural background and I don’t want to be put in a box with everyone else. I think Latino culture was bundled up for many reasons and there are some consequences as a result. Not all of them good as we can see in the comments.

  50. I’m sorry but this has been the last straw. Mey you are completely out of line- this whole debate regarding FL is so ridiculous it highlights how effed up Americans truly are. Also please refer to Dickens comments on Twitter to educate yourselves further. I will be cancelling my A+ membership and will not be buying any further merch from the AS store. In the wake of AE’s demise I was hoping AS would step up – this is clearly not happening.

  51. I don’t agree with this article. There are no best or worst LGBTQ TV characters on TV.For anyone who is straight or gay to come on TV to play a character like these men and women do takes a lot of guts. So to all these people who got voted the worst I give my thanks to them for playing the roles that they do. And they do them very well I might add. People need to quit doing articles like this and appreciate actors and actress that do roles for the LGBTQ that most people won’t do! Plus some of these people are straight doing these roles!

  52. I suppose this topic has been beaten to death by now, but I’m truly curious about what “latinx” means from a race point of view vs ethnicity. My understanding of Latin America is that it’s a mix of various races/ethnicities and people FROM the continent are called Latinx regardless of their skin colour. So by that definition, an Italian person from Italy wouldn’t be Latinx. I get that much. And some producer said that Maggie would be Latinx and she was portrayed by an Italian, so he was wrong.

    I’m Norwegian. I’m also African, born and raised partly in East Africa. Would I be allowed to play an African American? Should Danai Gurira (African) be allowed to portray Michone (who is African American)? Should Idris Elba (African-British) be allowed to portray a gangster from Baltimore? I don’t really know where the lines are in the US. If an African or a Brit can portray an African-American, isn’t it the same as a dark-skinned Italian portraying a Latinx character?

    I’ve never been to the US, all my American friends are white, so I have a hard time understanding some of the nuances of racial relationships there. I think that’s perhaps the problem with most of the posters here, not being American and therefore not understanding what the issue is.

  53. Love the shoutout to the disappointing Gilmore Girls revival. Like how are you make fun of people for recognizing the complete absence of not straight people, only present weird, boring, mocking stereotypes, but still not double down on the original stereotype that you milked for laughs every chance you got? (Gypsy) TBH if we had confirmation and acknowledgement that Gypsy was gay like we did with Michel, I might have actually been able to put up with the hellscape that was the rest of the plot. So now I’m just left holding on to the moment when Paris called Rory “our girl”…

  54. Why was Nomi Marks left off of this list? She is the transsexual character on Netflix series Sense8.

    The role is played by trans actress Jamie Clayton. Her transition is mentioned and is a part of one sub plot but her background is just incidental to the story line.

    Writing as an old trans woman myself she is the best trans woman character I’ve ever seen (and I’ve been watching TV since the Milton Berle era).

  55. Why was Nomi Marks left off of this list? She is the transsexual character on the Netflix series Sense8.

    The role is played by trans actress Jamie Clayton. That she transitioned is mentioned and is part of one sub plot. But her background is incidental to the story line.

  56. Wow, it’s really sobering to reread the previous year’s version of this article and realize how many of its best characters have been killed off or otherwise suffered character assassination. Ugh!

  57. Well first off, Floriana Lima is of Italian, Irish, English, Spanish, Portuguese descent. Second, she is an actor, even if she weren’t actually hispanic, it is her job to portray a character. Plenty of straight women play queer characters, because they are playing a character. It’s not about them, if you were casting someone for a film to play a queer character and you came across this women that was both an amazing actor and was willing to do it, would you say sorry you’re not queer? That’s just as bad as saying queer people can’t play heterosexual roles. Same thing goes for someone and their race. I don’t think she deserved to be in the worsts because of what you did and didn’t know about her ethnicity. just saying.

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