All night I struggled and tugged for the perfect word. In the brown of the dark, my sister’s soft breathing in her Hollywood bed across the way. The hum of the house, the oil heater that might blow up. Groaning, stopping, going strong. Devil shaking the bottom of my bed when I closed my eyes. (p 75)
I didn’t know what “a poet’s novel” meant when I started reading this book. I think I thought it just meant “a novel written by a poet” or “a novel with poetic tendencies.” That is not what this is, I don’t think. I think what Myles meant when she called this a “poet’s novel” is that it is a novel built the way that a poet builds a poem. It’s one structure inhabited by another. I get that now. I think I get poetry in a way I didn’t before, or at least Eileen Myles’ poetry. Eileen Myles. Goddamn.
As I should maybe have intimated from the subtitle, the technical aspects of this novel are really important; a lot of the writing in it is in fact about writing, which had me thinking about the writing in the novel itself really intensively in a self-referential and kind of exhaustingly “meta” way. The book opens in an English class, dissecting literature, and I feel like the whole way through you can feel Myles performing that same kind of dissection; her presence is still tangible in each line, you can feel how she’s pruned and perfected each sentence in the way that poets do. When you think about it that way – as almost an epic poem instead of a novel – it makes the whole thing seem just sort of staggering and crazy, intimidating but amazing.
I think what was also really intimidating was her total lack of self-pity. It felt like she really was writing about a character in a novel sometimes, like she was just sort of mildly fascinated with the trials of this hungry, brilliant young woman selling lead slugs for beer money. As Emily Gould says in this show, “Eileen Myles for President,” by the Poetry Foundation that I’m now obsessed with, “…as she’s refusing to group herself with the people who’s memoirs are “Look how badly I’ve been victimized,” she’s saying, “well, you know, I have of course been victimized, but that’s not the point.” As she puts it, there’s no self-pity in Eileen Myles, but she does want you to know.
It felt like such an extraordinary act of self-control or of complete dissociation to be able to just put this here, to put all these things that happened on pages in ink and then leave them without trying to fix them or explain them or defend them or heal them. Everything she went through, everything anyone did to her is just here. Every feeling she had of incredible confidence that another woman might feel verged on cockiness — that’s there too. She is unapologetic. How do you do that, how do you give us these things without giving us your heart and soul along with them. It amazes and terrifies me.
My corrupt womanhood: a waste. I feel the same way about being a writer. Staying up all night burning my brain cells, for years, swallowing tons of cheap speed, also for years, eating poorly, pretty much drinking myself to death. And then not. Contracting whatever STD came to me in the seventies, eighties, nineties, smoking cigarettes, a couple a packs a day for at least twenty years, being poor and not ever really going to the doctor (only the dentist: flash teeth), wasting my time doing so little work, being truly dysfunctional, and on top of that, especially my point, being a dyke, in terms of the whole giant society, just a fogged human glass turned on its side. Yak yak yak a lesbian talking. And being rewarded for it.
Somehow her lack of sympathy for herself made it worse, made me feel for her even more. I was conscious of feeling really sad that she had been young in that time and that place, when it was so hard to be a woman and be an artist and be gay and be all those things. Like how awful must it be to have to feel like being gay is like diving into cold water, like you have to put it off for as long as possible and then brace yourself and grit your teeth and say “well, I guess I have no choice” and let yourself drop like a brick. Good thing that’s over with – and then I was like, oh wait. I see what you did there. I felt even sadder about that.
Did you notice how it felt less and less like a novel as it went on? Like I felt less like there was a character called Eileen/Leena/Ei and more like Myles was addressing me directly. Fourth wall or something. I felt like as the book progressed it became less preoccupied with a character or story and more preoccupied with stories in general, or with art, I guess. She gets so vocal about supporting art and artists, about how hard it is to find someone to give you money for your work.
Aside from being confused and blindsided by this shift in genre that made me feel like I was maybe crazy, I was also just kind of bewildered by this concept on a basic level. I think I grew up with the belief that being an artist means you deserve to be underpaid and underfed and overworked and underappreciated. I was so impressed but also weirded out by her balls-out assertion that she deserves to be paid for her work like anyone else, that she deserves to make a living off what she lives for. She writes in “An American Poem” that “My art can’t be supported until it is gigantic/until it is bigger than everyone else’s.” I don’t know what that means. This is what I wrote in my journal:
she gets into this space where art is important, where art is worthwhile, maybe the only worthwhile thing. i both dislike and admire that; the ability to get into your work, whatever that work is, so much so that you feel like you can demand attention for it. and compensation. i am astonished always when anyone feels like they deserve anything, because i so rarely do… it was nice because for a minute it took away the sense of why do we do this even; i was able to stop thinking about the overarching anxiety that is the self-indulgence of making art. it just seemed like a thing. like building a house. or making a dress. you just make this thing to put in people’s hands. even if it’s only your own hands. and i hadn’t realized what a relief it was to have that question taken away. how much easier it makes it to concentrate on other things, like how you can make this the best thing it can be.
That was probably oversharing. This is what Riese wrote in her journal:
Reading Inferno has been good for me. Like the opposite of being yelled at for not taking a $10/hour office job ‘just to do it’, like I hated that moment. I would rather be hungry and owe visa than do a thing besides the point. nobody has to understand it, but they do because if they don’t understand it, they won’t support it. art is the most important thing, but people don’t think they should pay for it. instead they pay for things they hate. accountants and orthodontists. people will pay for art, you just have to ask them. like not feeling guilty to run on donations sometimes but I do. This is what makes the unemployment/constant hustle bearable to artists — they value the experience of striving, they almost need it. this is our job. it is our job to work weird jobs and to beg. Why do I feel guilty for wanting to write instead of file. I file too.
In any case, I was really impressed by this book, in the same way that one might be “impressed” by a moving car if they step into a crosswalk without looking both ways first. It made me think really differently and write really differently while I was reading it, which is pretty much my measure of whether a book is good or important or well done. I don’t know that I really “got it,” or at least all of it, but I don’t mean that in a way that means the book is pretentious or intentionally obscure or impenetrable. Just that some things take a long time to tease open and work out, and that doesn’t mean anything bad. On the contrary, I feel like it is often good for books to be hard, to stretch muscles and leave you kind of sore but happy afterwards. That is kind of how I felt after reading Inferno. Tired and sore, but happy.
Here is what some other people have to say about this book.
+ Gloria Woodman at Terror People: “It’s a nice book to have. The cover is swirled with static flames and the type and layout make it easy to read. Even drunk in this Laundromat. There is something powerful about Eileen Myles’ writing, evenInferno (A Poet’s Novel), this almost trite re-telling of her other work. It doesn’t matter what she is saying, I want to listen. I want to hear her stories over-and-over again. She writes about seeing a picture of Amelia Earhart, “I couldn’t tell if I had a crush on her, or was her, or if I was just crazy.”
+ Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore at Bookslut: “Inside Myles’s castle, everything is pared down even when it’s rambling and raw and rough and broken and shy and bold and open: “We were so excited because the silence of our childhood was over…” Inferno shows us the adventure of poetry, but also reveals the places where a poet starts to philosophize absently: do we really need to know that the “quality of people’s togetherness” is called a bhav in Bhakti yoga? Instead let’s stay in that space where the page becomes your head, expanding.”
+ Herocious at The Open End: “Reading INFERNO was bodily, it jerked my mouth around and made me jot down words in the margins. This way, they could snug close to Eileen’s prose.Fanning through the pages with my thumb – after reading it – I couldn’t help but stare at my scratchy notes and silently understand how much the INFERNO experience stimulated me, a high point in my life as a reader. The idea of replicating that experience in a strained and articulate review made me ball up in the corner and scream.”
+ Liz Brown at Bookforum: “With Inferno, Myles has written, among other things, a field guide to poetry readings—the “trembling voices,” the crowd “laughing familiarly”—as well as a meditation on hatching a writing life. She offers theorems about relationships with the famous, the artist’s responsibility “to get collected,” and how rich people need poor friends. In charting her downtown travels, she has mapped a bygone New York: Club 57, the Pyramid, and the Duchess, the dyke bar where she drunkenly attempts to do the splits. The book, in other words, is packed.”
What about you? Tell me how you feel. Use examples from the text. I wanna know.
1. Is this a novel? Or an autobiography? Or a memoir? Does it matter?
2. Was it weird how honest she was about real people/events? Good? Bad?
3. Can we talk about what I am calling “the vagina chapter.” You know the part I’m talking about. I wanted to talk about it here but I didn’t know how. I trust that you will.
4. Did you, like, know about Eileen Myles before this? If so, has anything changed in your feelings about/for her? If not, what are your thoughts?
5. Did you feel a little bit insane after reading this book? I did, it’s ok.
Rumi had someone following him around all day long, while he spoke the poem. He was simply in it. I was in it too. The room was the poem, the day I was in. Oh Christ. What writes my poem is a second ring, inner or outer. Poetry is just the performance of it. These little things, whether I write them or not. That’s the score. The thing of great value is you. Where you are, glowing and fading, while you live.
I will get to the questions but first I wanted to say YES OH FINALLY I FINISHED THIS BOOK 1 WEEK AGO AND HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
wait, this came out already? I THOUGHT IT WASN’T COMING OUT TILL THE 30TH AND I WANNA READ IT SO BADLY AHHH. where can i inferno/eileen myles’s other work? (i live in nyc–the strand would have it, right?)
I barely finished this book and I feel happy but also like I just don’t care. I failed a quiz and thought “this isn’t bothering me wtf inferno is giving me a complex” I highlighted lots of parts but one part stood out because it made me feel less guilty about changing my major and wanting to move far far away for college
“like I had to choose. I had to get up and do something. And it happened. I looked around. The room didn’t glow so much as look like it would make a god photograph. I would remember this. I knew.”
I don’t know what this book was but I liked it
Heh. Just wanted to give you a high five because we quoted the same excerpt. :) And I feel you.
“I don’t know what this book was but I liked it”
this is basically the feeling i feel
I can’t answer the questions right away, I’ll have to come back for that. But I wanted to address your reactions to it because you have already vocalized so many things I was just on the verge of realizing myself. The beginning of this article is really beautiful. It’s like you took the thoughts that were in my brain and unscrambled them so they could be coherent words and made it all so much prettier than I could have.
In an email to a fellow Autostraddle reader I said this: “I’m glad it (the date for this post) got pushed back. I needed time to process everything. I actually think I would need to reread the whole book and wait about a month to fully process the whole thing.” Maybe actually a couple of months or a lifetime.
I had a similar reaction to her observations of art and the artist’s life. This book reminded me how important art is for the soul. This line made me feel my own toes in a way I haven’t in a while (right after describing the moment she wrote her first poem): “I had to get up and do something. And it happened. I looked around. The room didn’t so much glow as look like it would made a good photograph. I would remember this, I knew. Cause the poem was real and the job as not.”
About Eileen as a character in the book and not being self-pitying, she had something to say about that in the book: “It’s easy to write an auto-biography if the absence in the story is me.” I wondered while reading whether it was easier to write from a detached place rather than a self-pitying place. Maybe from there the reliving it makes it less painful. I actually reacted to that detachment differently while reading than you did. Well actually my feelings towards her shifted throughout the book. I found myself believing her near the beginning and not feeling as sorry for her. Like maybe she had life all figured out. I believed the distance she created as if she was above it all. But she spent so much time focusing on the people surrounding her that I realized she was deflecting. Because possibly her reality was so painful she couldn’t directly face it. And that’s really fucking sad.
Addressing question 5: yes. I did feel insane about half way through the book. I couldn’t even read it all at one time I had to read in stops and starts because it was really messing with my mind. I kind of wish I had read in bigger chunks because I may have understood it better, I don’t know.
i am going to respond to all of these ideas as soon as i get a minute
it’s not at strand. i haven’t been able to find it anywhere in nyc, and i refuse to buy books offline. so i envy you all. ugh.
you can download it from the internet
in brooklyn, they sell it at spoonbill & sugartown on bedford ave
i feel like “did this book make you feel insane” might be the most important question of all
It made me feel insane in the “if I was 10 years younger and reading this book I would move to New York to be an artist but now I can’t because I have student loans and grad school” kind of way.
it made me feel sane in the “i have tried, i have been there, i tried to do what she did and it’s not like that in new york anymore, and that’s why i had to leave” way
yes. this book made me feel insane. the good insane, the spent-all-night-having-great-sex-and-laughing-with-a-really-awesome-girl insane.
this book is revealing because it’s a how to guide. how to feel. how to be art. how to delve into poetry until it’s sort of apart of you in all the good ways but especially the bad.
this book and i want to get commitment ceremonied.
OKAY I AM ONLY 45 PAGES IN, and i did not read the article in order to ward off spoilers
school sucks and sucks up all my time, ironically i am studying to be a poet longterm, good god what am i getting myself into
did you purchase your book in montreal? if so, what store
I bought a copy at Drawn & Quarterly in the mile end. Myles was there on Monday reading from Inferno and signing books, so they had copies for sale, but I am not sure if they sell them regularly. I had a really hard time finding them here, -or anywhere in Canada – so that would be a good start. Plus it’s a cool store. And also, Eilleen is funny. and Awesome. I cherish the fact that I will hear her voice and her Boston accent when reading this now.
OH MY GOD I AM SO UPSET I MISSED THIS
I’m still only halfway through it, but I’ll jump into the discussion as soon as I’m done.
@b, I’m pretty sure it’s only being sold online from OR books:
what are we reading next? I need to know!
I read most of it really fast on a weekend away and it coloured everything and definitely made me feel strange and slightly depressed for that whole time. I found the tone of detachment interesting because it was not unemotional at the same time, like it could very easily be. In fact the opposite of that.
I was also super thrown by the weird structure/genre change because I am usually a pedant but at the same time the vibe was consistent, like art/relationships as 2 sides of the coin of life or whatever.
Also this might be a dumb question but eh. What are lead slugs? I am dredging this from my memory but do they have anything to do with the subway? Or are they just bullet type things?
Someone from NYC correct me if I”m wrong, but I believe slugs are counterfeit tokens that can be used in the subway to cheat the toll.
Here’s a NY Times blurb about it: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/25/nyregion/raid-cuts-off-slugs-for-subway-cheats.html
I really enjoyed this book, but I have to say that if I hadn’t started it with a ‘deadline’ in mind I probably would have never finished. It’s not because I didn’t like reading it, but every fifty pages or so I got to a point where it was like ‘Wow, this is great. Maybe I should just stop here and not worry about the rest.’ I definitely want to go back and reread it because my thoughts on it are so up down and all around that I can’t really process them.
The biggest thing I got from this book is that I need to learn to read a lot more s.l.o.w.l.y. When I first started, I would get through a page and have to go back and be like “What was that? What happened?” and read it all over again. In really plot driven books, I think you can get by reading really fast and focus on the story over the words. But in this book, it’s ALL about the words and the sentence structure and the way everything is put together so reading quickly just doesn’t work.
I love this whole piece you put together on the book, especially the excerpts from your/Riese’s journals.
This. I felt like I just got stuck. I sat and read and re-read a page 3 times in a row. There is SO much processing. Actually, I’m pretty sure I can spend the rest of my life processing this book and continue to find something new every single time I open the it up.
what was weird was the first like 175 pages more or less flew by. and then… i got stuck. reading the same pages over and over again near the end, like i think I got for a while really confused about alice/rose/another alice/another kathy/etc. and the writing workshops part. that part i didn’t know what was happening.
buttttt the beginning literally changed my life
That definitely happened to me, too. There were so many people mentioned and she kept jumping around between times and places that everyone kind of blurred together. The beginning and then the last like four pages changed my life. The middle part was mostly just confusing.
I’m just about halfway through as of this moment, and I am feeling the same feelings as everyone else. While I am enjoying her writing/words immensely, the whole picture is struggling to put itself together for me. Definitely not a book to be read quickly (there has been lots of re-reading!) so I am making a real effort to go slowly and carefully so I don’t miss anything – there are lots of great little parts, even if just 2 brilliant words strung together or a sentence I can totally relate to, that I would be really sad to have missed. I actually put it down this weekend and read another book in it’s entirety (speed reader hello) and now I’m ready to pick it back up but wanted to check out what everyone else was thinking about it just to see if it was the same for them as it is for me and YES apparently it is.
I speed read too! Inferno has been a little more frustrating, I think, because of this. I’m not used to having to read so slowly. Actually, reading the book is it’s own little inferno on a very small scale. I just thought about that. She managed to create an experience so complete that reading any small part of it produces that desperate, hellacious mood.
It’s an interesting process, reading Inferno. I have been zooming through a lot of books lately where the focus is really only the story being told, but in Myles’ book I feel its more about the writing than the actual story. Her writing is exquisite, but the story takes a backseat to her poetry. Nothing really wrong with that, just makes for a different experience than your average ‘novel’. I have enjoyed reading it, but I prefer books that are a bit more accessible.
What’s the next book selection?! I like that by participating in a book club I am more likely to pick up a book I wouldn’t normally consider.
I liked how this book made me think about writing, but I did not like it as a novel, if that makes sense. I did like how the flames on front are V shaped, anyone else who watched the itty bitty titty committee and became way more aware of V shaped visuals?
Sometimes I couldn’t stand to read this book. I’d pick up my Kindle and read anything but; even though I WANTED to read it. Yet after I finished it I found it had the most highlights out of any book in my Kindle. I have a respect for this novel without much fondness. But I’d love to know her. It felt like that gorgeous moment when you agree with a stranger and realise they’ve become a friend.
“Who doesn’t envy a child’s endless sense of things. Not that they have it but it’s what they feel. It’s what we’re born to know. A sensation of being unhampered by anything except adults.”
“In relationships I spend a lot of time waiting for it to end. There’s the happy sex part and then there’s the waiting for the end.”
“If you do something and people see it, and they’re impressed, it really seems you ought to be kind to them. But instead you want to get away. Why?”
I also liked her selective use of question marks. As an English teacher I’m told to teach question marks as compulsory after every question. How rude. To answer the discussion questions I don’t think this book under any other label would have changed my feelings towards it, that’s a good sign of strength to me. I don’t think her honesty mattered to me a great deal but at the same time I don’t entirely believe myself on that score. I’m not sure about the part you call the Vagina Chapter. Before this I cared less about Eileen Myles because I’m not a great fan of her poetry. I’m inspired to revisit it though, and deeply so. I was feeling insane waaay before this book. I don’t want to stop feeling insane though; Autostraddle helps with that good insanity!
i definitely picked up on the question mark thing. like everything i wrote while reading inferno is free of question marks. when i read the sentences later they dont make immediate sense and i’m like riese, remember grammar but when i’m in myles-voiceland, it just seems like the natural thing to do.
so eileen myles will be doing a reading at bluestockings early december, i forget the date exactly, if any NYC folks wanna go?
I just went to her reading at spoonbill & sugartown! hearing her read parts of inferno aloud was really cool and different from what I would have expected (I guess I didn’t know what to expect, except maybe insanity).
ah shit! i was unawares.
I think she subtitled it “A Poet’s Novel” because she is a poet writing a novel, as simple as that sounds. She is not writing her story as a conventional novel or memoir, but in vignettes that circle back on each other like a poem’s stanzas might. I think this technique elevates her story in a way a traditional novel and memoir forms can not; it certainly creates a work that is haunting and provides stand alone quotes much like lines of verse can.
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