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Saskatchewan Court Upholds Gay Marriage, Common Sense

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According to the Saskatchewan Appeal Court, marriage commissioners can't refuse to perform same-sex marriages on religious grounds, because it's illegal and backwards and they say so.

In 2005, Orville Nichols, a marriage commissioner and devout Baptist, refused to marry a same-sex couple because he said it was against his religious beliefs. He launched a complaint with the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission against the provincial Department of Justice, but in 2008 the Commission ruled that as a civil servant, Nichols was obliged to perform marriages regardless of his religious beliefs (as civil servants, marriage commissioners are the only option for anyone who wants a non-religious marriage ceremony). Even though Nichols' attempt at appeal failed, the Saskatchewan Appeal Court - the highest court in that province - was still asked to rule on whether commissioners had the right to refuse to perform marriages on religious grounds.

from Slap Upside the Head

The court considered two possible options:

1) Allowing all marriage commissioners the right to refuse to preform same-sex marriages on religious grounds

2) Allowing only those appointed before November 2004, when gay marriage was legalized, the right to refuse them.

And it shot down both.

According to Justice Robert Richards, either option might create the chance for discrimination, and so both were unacceptable. In his decision, which can be found here, he wrote:

"Either one, if enacted, will create situations where a same-sex couple contacting a marriage commissioner for the purpose of getting married will be told by the commissioner that he or she will not provide the service requested. This is not a merely theoretical concern. It is entirely clear […] that some marriage commissioners will refuse to perform same-sex marriages if The Marriage Act, 1995 is amended to give them that option."

Justice Richards also rejected the argument suggested by the amendment's supporters that gay and lesbian couples refused by one commissioner would still be able to go to another:

"It is not difficult for most people to imagine the personal hurt involved in a situation where an individual is told by a governmental officer “I won’t help you because you are black (or Asian or First Nations) but someone else will” or “I won’t help you because you are Jewish (or Muslim or Buddist) but someone else will.” Being told “I won’t help you because you are gay/lesbian but someone else will” is no different."

He was also concerned that "a significant number" of commissioners might choose not to perform same-sex marriages, and that their decision to (not) do so wouldn't be offset by an amendment guaranteeing that a certain number of commissioners willing to perform them would be available. Geography was also an issue, for "if commissioners can opt out of the obligation to perform same-sex marriages, a situation might quickly emerge where gay and lesbian couples (particularly in northern and rural areas or smaller centres) would have to travel some distance to find a commissioner willing to perform a marriage ceremony." This is particularly in Saskatchewan, which is not heavily populated at all.

But best of all? Best of all, he says that even if all that other stuff were accounted for, the amendment still wouldn't have passed, because anything that puts gays and lesbians in a situation where they're refused a service because of sexual orientation is a huge step backwards and would perpetuate disadvantages and stereotypes, in addition to going against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The decision doesn't just say 'maybe this isn't legal,' it says 'this definitely isn't legal and also you are a huge tool for suggesting it should be.' Which is the best possible thing it could say.

Opponents, of course, found this disappointing. According to CTV News, Larry Bjerlan, a marriage commissioner from Rose Valley, Sask., says the decision goes against his right to refuse work on religious grounds: "All we're asking for are the same rights that anyone else has — and that's to refuse to do work. If the work is contrary to what your religious beliefs are, then you shouldn't be forced into doing it. […] If they're going to suggest penalizing me by fining me or something of that nature [for not preforming same-sex marriages], definitely I'll quit."

I hope he does.

67 responses to “Saskatchewan Court Upholds Gay Marriage, Common Sense”

  1. Ashley

    LIKE.

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  2. vitaminb

    Go Saskatchewan!! This is great news.

    And I hope he quits too. Asshole.

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  3. Asia

    I love this.

    I wonder why anyone would want someone officiating their marriage who opposed them.
    Which means, homos will seek out commissioners who are known to the community. The hater commissioners will continue performing hetero marriages. Everyone will be happy.
    Thus, it could be argued that this ruling means nothing. However,
    IT MEANS EVERYTHING.

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  4. Robin

    This made me happy to read. I hope that bigot quits too.

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  5. Claire

    Yay Canada! Awesome news.

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  6. moose

    awesome!

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  7. Dani

    I really needed happy homogay news right now. This is awesome. :D

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  8. Leah

    This is the (only ) great thing about Saskatchewan. Progress in the Prairies. Go us!

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  9. Cass

    OMG IM FROM SASKATCHEWAN!! go us! lol

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  10. chlamydia

    my heart throbs 4 u in newer and harder ways daily, canada. daily.

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  11. Azzy

    Oh, Canada <3

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  12. Daphne

    “All we’re asking for are the same rights that anyone else has — and that’s to refuse to do work.”

    FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO REFUSE TO DO WORK, LARRY BJERLAN, YOU FREEDOM-FIGHTER YOU

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    1. Erin

      LOL. love it.

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    2. Emily

      I blame this lazy attitude of his on the French Canadian influence in Canada. Obvs.

      (jk the French are hot!)

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  13. K_D_H

    I was ecstatic when I saw this on the news last night. Great to see some Canadian content here too :)

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    1. bcw

      i believe you mean ‘can-con.’ :)

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  14. bcw

    does anybody else know that song Saskatchewan by Les Trois Accords? i can’t get it out of my head now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd2e0Sv2J9k

    (ninjas)

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  15. Lou

    I dont know though, we should be careful giving gays rights, because when we do animals die and jebus is not happy…well according to this lady anyway-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17WGTvPHGg&feature=player_embedded So this is the sort of logic we’re up against….ie: illogical logic! :-D I know that’s not really relevant to this but I had to share it!

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  16. Triple D

    Why the fuck wasn’t I born in Canada? SRSLY????

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    1. e

      i share this sentiment.

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      1. Nat

        You guys can still visit…we have timbits…

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        1. Triple D

          OMG TIMBITS?

          WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

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          1. NatWalrus

            Wait guys, what are timbits?

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            1. NatWalrus

              Oh wait, Google exists. NEVERMIND.

              Also, mmmmmm.

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        2. Dani

          They call those doughnut holes here. I’m guessing timbits are way better as almost everything in Canada seems to be.

          Now I want some doughnuts…

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  17. Raksha

    It drives me insane when people refuse to perform the requirements of their job on religious grounds, like that knob who didn’t want to marry people or those pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions or whatever. It’s like, look asshole, if your religion prevents you from doing the work, don’t take the job! If a Hindu who worked at a grocery store didn’t feel comfortable ringing up hamburger for customers, it’s not their right to forbid the customers to buy it! It means they need to find a job they *are* suited for!

    Quit being whiny babies and learn to play nice with others, you spoiled little shits!

    Sorry, I have a lot of feelings on this issue.

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    1. Triple D

      This.

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    2. kd15

      Your feelings mirror my feelings. If you can’t do the job because of your beliefs then don’t take the job or choose that career.

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    3. Erin

      Yes.

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  18. Leigh

    Yay Saskatchewan! You are all grown up and I am so proud of you.

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  19. Camille

    oh, canada, my home and native land
    letting gays getting married, and eating perogies
    with glowing hearts and glittered wands
    and maple syrup and poutine!
    la laaa la la
    la laaa la la
    everybody should move here soon.

    …it’s a work in progress.

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    1. Rawrosaureins

      I would move there, but I hear snow is a thing for you guys, and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t survive that sort of a situation. Also, what is poutine?

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      1. katiebug

        DELICIOUS GLORY is what poutine is. Fries with cheese curds and gravy. It’s the best food ever when you’re drinking.

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        1. Jactance

          I’m kind of amazed it hasn’t caught on in the US yet. Americans love cheeseburgers and fries, so why not cheese in your fries? Logical steps amirite

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          1. Alice

            It’s not the cheese that is foreign, it is the gravy. I am always suspicious of gravy when there is no large roast near by. Where does it come from?!

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            1. Jactance

              Like all magical things, ie rainbows, it comes from unicorn butts.

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            2. Ashley

              I don’t even like gravy in the US but the Canadian gravy that poutine is made with is definitely different. I wouldn’t be surprised if it did come from unicorn butts.

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            3. Alice

              If you can show me the unicorn in the back making the gravy then maybe.

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            4. smartypants

              no no no I agree…..gravy without meat is…weird….wrong…not trustworthy.

              a natural segue: BBQ anyone?

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            5. Alice

              Mmmmm. Ok, but no BBQing unicorns. We’ll need them for the gravy.

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            6. Dani

              What about mashed potatoes? :/

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            7. smartypants

              I tried that before Dani.
              The mashed potatoes keeps falling through the grill.

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            8. Alice

              Maybe if we invite the Canadians they’ll bring french fries.

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            9. Jader

              DID SOMEONE SAY BBQ?!? mmmmmmm…..BBQ…..

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            10. Dani

              I wonder what would happen if you actually did grill mashed potatoes. I see a possibility for an awesome take on the baked potato.

              Google has the answer to everything: http://thepioneerwoman.com/tasty-kitchen/recipes/sidedishes/grilled-mashed-potatoes/

              Oh, I can solve that problem of the potatoes falling through the grill with a make-shift aluminium foil bowl. I think BBQ Club possibly just added a craft section.

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            11. Alice

              Dani this is why you are the BBQSSS.

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        2. kd15

          YES. I was back in Canada recently and the first thing I did was escape from my family and go get poutine.

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        3. Azzy

          Don’t forget ketchup chips! :D

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          1. Camille

            uhm do people in the states not have ketchup chips? YOU GUYS. that’s cruel and unusual.

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          2. kd15

            I’m still not sure which is worse between ketchup chips and dill pickle chips

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            1. Camille

              the answer to your question is “OMNOMNOMNOM”.

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            2. Azzy

              Ketchup chips are amazing. If you haven’t tried them, you’re seriously missing out. I prefer Old Dutch, myself.

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            3. Alice

              When I was studying abroad in England ketchup chips were my go to pub chips. So unexpectedly delicious.

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  20. Heidi

    This is amazing. Finally, someone has not only common sense, but a sense of justice and equality. Not only THAT, but the situation seems like it was handled in a completely no-nonsense sort of way, which is exactly how is SHOULD be in the US.

    I hope more people see this.

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    1. Erin

      Canada is REALLY lucky for the no-nonsense proceedings. My head would explode if I lived in the States because of how drawn out every law or decision is. Seriously, ya’ll have the best patience ever.

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  21. InTheJunkDrawer

    That is awesome.

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  23. Katie Murphy - ex catholic

    “I’ll quit if he is forced to do gay marriage ceremonies.”

    Yes he has THAT right. To him I say – “dont let the doorknob hit you where the good lord split you”

    if you want to work at a church, thats your priveledge and you can follow your beliefs.

    As a public official he has to do the job or get out. You have zero rights to impose your religious beliefs on others- by act of comission or omission.

    If he wants to live in a theocracy he should try Saudi arabia. Where if he sets up a christian church the religious police will come calling.

    And the Judge will decide his punishment, basedd on the judges idea of “what God wants”

    usually chopping off a hand for stealing. For a raped women ,the judge most likely will have her whipped – “it had to be her fault.”

    We are not going down that slippery slope.

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    1. diver

      Yup.

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  24. terracottatoes

    YOU GUYS I LOVE THIS ENTIRE THREAD I HAVE SCREENSHOT ALL YOUR COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO MY HEART

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    1. Alice

      Your capitalization is coming along nicely, but the punctuation still needs work.

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  25. World Spinner

    Autostraddle — Saskatchewan Court Upholds Gay Marriage, Common Sense…

    Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

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  26. Molly

    Canadian courts: helping me win my girlfriend over in my bid to have her move in with me in Toronto, bit by bit. ;)

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  27. diver

    “According to CTV News, Larry Bjerlan, a marriage commissioner from Rose Valley, Sask., says the decision goes against his right to refuse work on religious grounds: “All we’re asking for are the same rights that anyone else has — and that’s to refuse to do work.”

    You do work, you get paid. You don’t do it, there’s the door. He’s free to quit any time. Larry can go shit in his hat.

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  28. Rockets

    I feel so patriotic right now.

    Thanks for covering this. <3

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  29. sam

    Saskatchewan still sucks.

    haha just kidding.

    good going you right-wing fascists!

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  30. may

    Don’t call us right-wing fascists.:(
    The most left-wing party in Canada got its start in our beautiful province.

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