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	<title>Comments on: Guess Who&#8217;s Gay? Judge Walker of the Prop 8 Same-Sex Marriage Trial!</title>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+I don&#039;t think Bush the elder considered the peter-pulling performance of the Judge before appointing him.  How would I know you were homosexual or Baptist uhless you told me?  It would be kind of shallow to base a decision on whether you chewed Juicy Fruit or Dentyne gum, especially if it involved major decisions the person may make on another&#039;s life.  Now the judge tries to push the Homosexual agenda.  That &#039;s like the Morman trying to force me to believe as he does and accept his god and the angels Joseph Smith discovered with the golden tablets and won&#039;t let anyone else view, or examine.    I can invent my own religion that benefits only me and no one else will be allowed into Heaven without my approval.  But now Homo-Haven is man made and they want to push it on to everyone else to validate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+I don&#8217;t think Bush the elder considered the peter-pulling performance of the Judge before appointing him.  How would I know you were homosexual or Baptist uhless you told me?  It would be kind of shallow to base a decision on whether you chewed Juicy Fruit or Dentyne gum, especially if it involved major decisions the person may make on another&#8217;s life.  Now the judge tries to push the Homosexual agenda.  That &#8216;s like the Morman trying to force me to believe as he does and accept his god and the angels Joseph Smith discovered with the golden tablets and won&#8217;t let anyone else view, or examine.    I can invent my own religion that benefits only me and no one else will be allowed into Heaven without my approval.  But now Homo-Haven is man made and they want to push it on to everyone else to validate it.</p>
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		<title>By: sex</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/judge-walker-prop-8-gay-marriage-trial-is-gay-32297/comment-page-1/#comment-47539</link>
		<dc:creator>sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me time is going to resolve the gay issue. As the older generation, that was raised with bigotry, segregation, and racism dies off but the younger generation that have been raised in a diverse community become leaders,all the discriminatory laws will be struck down.Just take a poll of 20 somethings and I&#039;m sure the vast majority will see this as wrong. But if you take a poll of 60 year old white guys - most of them would say it&#039;s right. Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me time is going to resolve the gay issue. As the older generation, that was raised with bigotry, segregation, and racism dies off but the younger generation that have been raised in a diverse community become leaders,all the discriminatory laws will be struck down.Just take a poll of 20 somethings and I&#8217;m sure the vast majority will see this as wrong. But if you take a poll of 60 year old white guys &#8211; most of them would say it&#8217;s right. Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Ailish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ailish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, the thing Jessica said about judges having to recuse themselves if they have some sort of vested intrest:
 &#039;Judges are expected to recuse themselves when the circumstances are such that they can’t render an unbiased decision or when their impartiality might be questioned. When they have a personal or financial interest in the case, they’re expected to not participate in decisions.&#039;

*So if -- a gay judge should recuse himself because he has a reason for the case going one way

*Then -- a straight judge should recuse himself for having a reason for the case going the other way way

*But if a straight judge shouldn&#039;t be recused -- then that means they don&#039;t have a reason for the case going the other way??

so....um....win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, the thing Jessica said about judges having to recuse themselves if they have some sort of vested intrest:<br />
 &#8216;Judges are expected to recuse themselves when the circumstances are such that they can’t render an unbiased decision or when their impartiality might be questioned. When they have a personal or financial interest in the case, they’re expected to not participate in decisions.&#8217;</p>
<p>*So if &#8212; a gay judge should recuse himself because he has a reason for the case going one way</p>
<p>*Then &#8212; a straight judge should recuse himself for having a reason for the case going the other way way</p>
<p>*But if a straight judge shouldn&#8217;t be recused &#8212; then that means they don&#8217;t have a reason for the case going the other way??</p>
<p>so&#8230;.um&#8230;.win?</p>
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		<title>By: alphafemme</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphafemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only heartbreak at MY female-dominated campus was when Hartford, senior captain of the rugby team, left her girlfriend of three years for a gorgeous young frosh with pin-up proclivities and every single person on campus desperately wished she could swap places with one or the other of them. Damn they were such a hot couple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only heartbreak at MY female-dominated campus was when Hartford, senior captain of the rugby team, left her girlfriend of three years for a gorgeous young frosh with pin-up proclivities and every single person on campus desperately wished she could swap places with one or the other of them. Damn they were such a hot couple.</p>
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		<title>By: Niklas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niklas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your brilliant explanations of legal stuff make me feel smart by proxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your brilliant explanations of legal stuff make me feel smart by proxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a follow up, pulled from comments of the Wall Street Journal Law Blog, which questioned whether Judge Walker&#039;s sexual orientation should be a relevant consideration (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/02/08/prop-8-judge-is-reportedly-gay-what-to-make-of-that/). 

&quot;This article perpetuates the notion that straight white people are neutral and dispassionate, whereas everyone else is biased in favor of their own kind.&quot;

A nice and succinct way of illustrating the absurdity of any argument against his impartiality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a follow up, pulled from comments of the Wall Street Journal Law Blog, which questioned whether Judge Walker&#8217;s sexual orientation should be a relevant consideration (<a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/02/08/prop-8-judge-is-reportedly-gay-what-to-make-of-that/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/02/08/prop-8-judge-is-reportedly-gay-what-to-make-of-that/</a>). </p>
<p>&#8220;This article perpetuates the notion that straight white people are neutral and dispassionate, whereas everyone else is biased in favor of their own kind.&#8221;</p>
<p>A nice and succinct way of illustrating the absurdity of any argument against his impartiality.</p>
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		<title>By: Dina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George H.W., actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George H.W., actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awesome. Thank you for the explanation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome. Thank you for the explanation!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Judge Walker&#039;s sexual orientation certainly could come up on appeal, I doubt the argument would gain any traction. 

Boise and Olson are brilliant attorneys, and I have to assume that if they believed this to be a problem, they&#039;d have asked Judge Walker to recuse himself (meaning they&#039;d have asked him to take himself off the case). 

Judges are expected to recuse themselves when the circumstances are such that they can&#039;t render an unbiased decision or when their impartiality might be questioned. When they have a personal or financial interest in the case, they&#039;re expected to not participate in decisions. 

But this only happens infrequently -- judges are generally presumed to be neutral, and the circumstances have to be pretty significant to warrant recusal. (For example/perspective, consider that last year only 5 of 9 Supreme Court Justices ruled that a Judge needed to recuse himself in a case where one of the parties had contributed $3 million to his election campaign).

For a relevant comparison to prior case law, I&#039;d direct you here: http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/hunter_of_justice/2010/02/judge-walkers-nonsecret-is-out.html. 

The author quotes from a relevant (though not controlling) case from the Civil Rights Era, where attorneys sought to have a judge disqualified from the case, because she &quot;strongly identified with those who suffered discrimination in employment because of sex or race” (read: she was African-American and female). 

As the judge pointed out: &quot;If background or sex or race of each judge were, by definition, sufficient grounds for removal, no judge on this court could hear this case, or many others, by virtue of the fact that all of them were attorneys, of a sex…&quot; Accordingly, she did not recuse herself and as far as I can tell, the decision stands. 

In comparison -- this case affects the definition of marriage. That affects everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. If one person were forced to recuse himself based on sexual orientation, it would seem that no one would be qualified to hear the case because everyone has a sexual orientation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Judge Walker&#8217;s sexual orientation certainly could come up on appeal, I doubt the argument would gain any traction. </p>
<p>Boise and Olson are brilliant attorneys, and I have to assume that if they believed this to be a problem, they&#8217;d have asked Judge Walker to recuse himself (meaning they&#8217;d have asked him to take himself off the case). </p>
<p>Judges are expected to recuse themselves when the circumstances are such that they can&#8217;t render an unbiased decision or when their impartiality might be questioned. When they have a personal or financial interest in the case, they&#8217;re expected to not participate in decisions. </p>
<p>But this only happens infrequently &#8212; judges are generally presumed to be neutral, and the circumstances have to be pretty significant to warrant recusal. (For example/perspective, consider that last year only 5 of 9 Supreme Court Justices ruled that a Judge needed to recuse himself in a case where one of the parties had contributed $3 million to his election campaign).</p>
<p>For a relevant comparison to prior case law, I&#8217;d direct you here: <a href="http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/hunter_of_justice/2010/02/judge-walkers-nonsecret-is-out.html" rel="nofollow">http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/hunter_of_justice/2010/02/judge-walkers-nonsecret-is-out.html</a>. </p>
<p>The author quotes from a relevant (though not controlling) case from the Civil Rights Era, where attorneys sought to have a judge disqualified from the case, because she &#8220;strongly identified with those who suffered discrimination in employment because of sex or race” (read: she was African-American and female). </p>
<p>As the judge pointed out: &#8220;If background or sex or race of each judge were, by definition, sufficient grounds for removal, no judge on this court could hear this case, or many others, by virtue of the fact that all of them were attorneys, of a sex…&#8221; Accordingly, she did not recuse herself and as far as I can tell, the decision stands. </p>
<p>In comparison &#8212; this case affects the definition of marriage. That affects everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. If one person were forced to recuse himself based on sexual orientation, it would seem that no one would be qualified to hear the case because everyone has a sexual orientation.</p>
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		<title>By: e.</title>
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		<dc:creator>e.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Birthday Laneia, also you are hot. Also Judge Walker is a gay, and hot Laneia whose birthday it is, and Autostraddle, and me too. All are gay.  This is such a good day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday Laneia, also you are hot. Also Judge Walker is a gay, and hot Laneia whose birthday it is, and Autostraddle, and me too. All are gay.  This is such a good day!</p>
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