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	<title>Comments on: Feminists Are Our Best Hope for Change After Church Sex Abuse Fallout &amp; DADT Controversy</title>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 04:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never thought the day would come when I would say &#039;Sinead O Connor speaks the truth&#039; ;) As an Irish former-Catholic (now blissfully atheist), I am appalled, ashamed for my country and angry at the regime that is the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church have abused our trust in almost every way imaginable. 

If I even begin to talk about how many ways they&#039;ve destroyed our country, my blood boils. Many catholics (including good friends of mine) ask that people don&#039;t include your honest decent christian folk in this - but I have to say...at what point do you say &#039;our churches have done wrong, they are the evil in the world&#039;? Surely paedophilia and its coverup is something that prompts people to abandon the old establishments?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought the day would come when I would say &#8216;Sinead O Connor speaks the truth&#8217; <img src='http://www.autostraddle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  As an Irish former-Catholic (now blissfully atheist), I am appalled, ashamed for my country and angry at the regime that is the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church have abused our trust in almost every way imaginable. </p>
<p>If I even begin to talk about how many ways they&#8217;ve destroyed our country, my blood boils. Many catholics (including good friends of mine) ask that people don&#8217;t include your honest decent christian folk in this &#8211; but I have to say&#8230;at what point do you say &#8216;our churches have done wrong, they are the evil in the world&#8217;? Surely paedophilia and its coverup is something that prompts people to abandon the old establishments?</p>
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		<title>By: RachelwasHere</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36823</link>
		<dc:creator>RachelwasHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read an article where the Pope refers to the whole thing as a &quot;test&quot; which bothered the hell out of me. If you get cancer and you want to face it as a test of your faith, okay. If your church burns to the ground and you want to approach it as a test and rebuild, okay. Those are not acts of man. But the abuse scandal is not a TEST for the Church (though, their response has been an enormous fail by any measure), it&#039;s a monster these men created and hid and need to fucking deal with like the tragedy that it is. WTF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article where the Pope refers to the whole thing as a &#8220;test&#8221; which bothered the hell out of me. If you get cancer and you want to face it as a test of your faith, okay. If your church burns to the ground and you want to approach it as a test and rebuild, okay. Those are not acts of man. But the abuse scandal is not a TEST for the Church (though, their response has been an enormous fail by any measure), it&#8217;s a monster these men created and hid and need to fucking deal with like the tragedy that it is. WTF.</p>
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		<title>By: birobot</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36622</link>
		<dc:creator>birobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and just in case it wasn&#039;t clear, I agree with your passage above.  Right on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and just in case it wasn&#8217;t clear, I agree with your passage above.  Right on.</p>
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		<title>By: birobot</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36621</link>
		<dc:creator>birobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I AM a Jesus person (as you called it), one who has spent her whole life in the Presbyterian Church and now works for one, and I can tell you that it&#039;s pretty frustrating watching how this sort of thing goes down.  The precedent that has been established in regards to this issue is that gay marriage in the church is impossible because &quot;marriage is between a man and a woman.&quot;  It&#039;s this ridiculous backwards logic that has kept people (Spahr included) from getting into real trouble in the past, but also keeps us from moving forward.  There is a movement in the church to make progress (as approved by the General Assembly, which is like the federal government of the church), but people are still dragging their feet and the Church isn&#039;t super eager to stop sitting on their hands and go &quot;oh, wait, are we supposed to have an opinion?&quot;  

People in the PCUSA keep marrying same-sex couples, other people keep putting them on trial, and those pastors keep getting off on a technicality (instead of, y&#039;know, what they should be getting off for, which is actual damn sense and fairness).  Since the marriage was legally okay, that may change the game, but not necessarily for the worse.  Perhaps now people will be forced to listen to all the fantastic testimony that witnesses give on how this is NOT a scripture violation (and for every anti-gay passage interpretation, there are several saying those passages are either not against homosexuality or not about it at all).  

In short, yes, this is ridiculous and the church needs to get its act together, but people are trying and this trial could help (assuming people actually take the time to prayerfully consider what&#039;s going on).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AM a Jesus person (as you called it), one who has spent her whole life in the Presbyterian Church and now works for one, and I can tell you that it&#8217;s pretty frustrating watching how this sort of thing goes down.  The precedent that has been established in regards to this issue is that gay marriage in the church is impossible because &#8220;marriage is between a man and a woman.&#8221;  It&#8217;s this ridiculous backwards logic that has kept people (Spahr included) from getting into real trouble in the past, but also keeps us from moving forward.  There is a movement in the church to make progress (as approved by the General Assembly, which is like the federal government of the church), but people are still dragging their feet and the Church isn&#8217;t super eager to stop sitting on their hands and go &#8220;oh, wait, are we supposed to have an opinion?&#8221;  </p>
<p>People in the PCUSA keep marrying same-sex couples, other people keep putting them on trial, and those pastors keep getting off on a technicality (instead of, y&#8217;know, what they should be getting off for, which is actual damn sense and fairness).  Since the marriage was legally okay, that may change the game, but not necessarily for the worse.  Perhaps now people will be forced to listen to all the fantastic testimony that witnesses give on how this is NOT a scripture violation (and for every anti-gay passage interpretation, there are several saying those passages are either not against homosexuality or not about it at all).  </p>
<p>In short, yes, this is ridiculous and the church needs to get its act together, but people are trying and this trial could help (assuming people actually take the time to prayerfully consider what&#8217;s going on).</p>
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		<title>By: L. Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36595</link>
		<dc:creator>L. Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is unfortunate that bureaucrats, and dare I say most of us, still insist on perpetuating a gender binary system that is neither accurate nor inclusive.  

Is it not the goal of a census to collect authentic information on a population?  Is demography not a science fundamentally scrupulous in nature?  

Of course it is.  So why do we insist on subjecting ourselves to the stifling constraints of &quot;male&quot; or &quot;female&quot; gender labels?  There are a myriad of ways in which gender variant folks identify, and I am willing to bet that most of them would be willing to write it down on a dotted line if such a space happened to exist on a census form.  

I know giving people the freedom to express their individuality is a wildly radical and frightening concept for you suits up in Washington, but I think it&#039;s time to give it a try.  Forgive the cliché, but let&#039;s think outside the box people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate that bureaucrats, and dare I say most of us, still insist on perpetuating a gender binary system that is neither accurate nor inclusive.  </p>
<p>Is it not the goal of a census to collect authentic information on a population?  Is demography not a science fundamentally scrupulous in nature?  </p>
<p>Of course it is.  So why do we insist on subjecting ourselves to the stifling constraints of &#8220;male&#8221; or &#8220;female&#8221; gender labels?  There are a myriad of ways in which gender variant folks identify, and I am willing to bet that most of them would be willing to write it down on a dotted line if such a space happened to exist on a census form.  </p>
<p>I know giving people the freedom to express their individuality is a wildly radical and frightening concept for you suits up in Washington, but I think it&#8217;s time to give it a try.  Forgive the cliché, but let&#8217;s think outside the box people.</p>
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		<title>By: gena</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36515</link>
		<dc:creator>gena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh, I’m especially annoyed with the Presbyterian Church here, both because they’re reform not evangelical (and reformers don’t tend to get AS publically political/intense about homosexuality) and also because they have typically been liberal enough on a number of things to cause more conservative members of their church to leave for evangelical denominations anyway. Why do they continue to cater to the more conservative types in regards to gay marriage?  

It disappoints me in general that reform churches are still anti-gay because an anti-gay interpretation of the Bible so obviously goes against what their own approach to Biblical study should lead to. Reform traditions focus a lot of energy on studying the context of Biblical text and interpreting the significance according to the context first and foremost (something evangelical traditions generally couldn’t care less about, excluding the evangelical Mennonites who do care about context, but anyway) that they should know better than to go hard core on things that are obviously contextual (for example, homosexuality!!!). Yes, the Old Testament and the New Testament (sans the Gospels, cause Jesus never said anything yo) slam homosexuality but it is so fucking contextual, and context is so important to reformers, that I just don’t get it. These types of moves also often cause so much dissent with the more academic members of their churches anyway that it just doesn’t seem worth it for them on most levels.

Surprised, disappointed, frustrated. I want to call all of them and say, “hey, I am not a Jesus person but I know about this cause I read a lot of books including THE BIBLE and you should listen to me because according to YOUR OWN DENOMINATION’S APPROACH TO THE BIBLE you’re interpreting this in a totally wacky way.” And then I remember that no one really likes it when I say I know everything so I just need to leave that for conversations with my cats. They don’t seem to mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, I’m especially annoyed with the Presbyterian Church here, both because they’re reform not evangelical (and reformers don’t tend to get AS publically political/intense about homosexuality) and also because they have typically been liberal enough on a number of things to cause more conservative members of their church to leave for evangelical denominations anyway. Why do they continue to cater to the more conservative types in regards to gay marriage?  </p>
<p>It disappoints me in general that reform churches are still anti-gay because an anti-gay interpretation of the Bible so obviously goes against what their own approach to Biblical study should lead to. Reform traditions focus a lot of energy on studying the context of Biblical text and interpreting the significance according to the context first and foremost (something evangelical traditions generally couldn’t care less about, excluding the evangelical Mennonites who do care about context, but anyway) that they should know better than to go hard core on things that are obviously contextual (for example, homosexuality!!!). Yes, the Old Testament and the New Testament (sans the Gospels, cause Jesus never said anything yo) slam homosexuality but it is so fucking contextual, and context is so important to reformers, that I just don’t get it. These types of moves also often cause so much dissent with the more academic members of their churches anyway that it just doesn’t seem worth it for them on most levels.</p>
<p>Surprised, disappointed, frustrated. I want to call all of them and say, “hey, I am not a Jesus person but I know about this cause I read a lot of books including THE BIBLE and you should listen to me because according to YOUR OWN DENOMINATION’S APPROACH TO THE BIBLE you’re interpreting this in a totally wacky way.” And then I remember that no one really likes it when I say I know everything so I just need to leave that for conversations with my cats. They don’t seem to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: JentheJew</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36505</link>
		<dc:creator>JentheJew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just do not understand the Catholic church. You would think they would be like, &quot;Holy Fuck! Look at how we are alienating people from God! Let&#039;s reevaluate what we&#039;re doing!&quot; There needs to be a Vatican 3 or something, God can still speak to you in your daily lives, guys, Jews have way less books than you and the majority of our people still manage to get with the times. 

Basically I think the pope should stop wearing a silk dress and really get something done for his people that depend on him instead of living in lavish opulence while poor Catholics die and he is obsessed with gays and abortion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just do not understand the Catholic church. You would think they would be like, &#8220;Holy Fuck! Look at how we are alienating people from God! Let&#8217;s reevaluate what we&#8217;re doing!&#8221; There needs to be a Vatican 3 or something, God can still speak to you in your daily lives, guys, Jews have way less books than you and the majority of our people still manage to get with the times. </p>
<p>Basically I think the pope should stop wearing a silk dress and really get something done for his people that depend on him instead of living in lavish opulence while poor Catholics die and he is obsessed with gays and abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36501</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The census doesn&#039;t really allow for transgender people to be counted properly. The form itself just has the &#039;sex&#039; question with male and female as options, and in my employee handbooks it refers to it as the sex/gender question as it they were the same thing! It really bothers me, because like Cohen says, it&#039;s about everyone being counted for who they are, and this is not allowing that, not is it getting accurate reads of who makes up communities. I&#039;ve also had customers at my center with problems with the race/Hispanic origin question. Things are not 10-question-simple in real life...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The census doesn&#8217;t really allow for transgender people to be counted properly. The form itself just has the &#8216;sex&#8217; question with male and female as options, and in my employee handbooks it refers to it as the sex/gender question as it they were the same thing! It really bothers me, because like Cohen says, it&#8217;s about everyone being counted for who they are, and this is not allowing that, not is it getting accurate reads of who makes up communities. I&#8217;ve also had customers at my center with problems with the race/Hispanic origin question. Things are not 10-question-simple in real life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: foist</title>
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		<dc:creator>foist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever happened to blind justice? The answer to the worldwide sex abuse scandals is for the perpetrators of these crimes and those who aided and abetted them first to be captured and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Bill Maher, admittedly not known for his pro-religious views, put it best last Friday on his show when he said if the Catholic Church was a daycare or some other institution and this was happening on their watch, they would have been shut down ages ago. Secondly, and more importantly going forward, the Catholic Church needs to stop the problem at the source and drop the the celibacy requirement for parish priests, which is a post-Great Schism adaptation in practicing Christianity anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happened to blind justice? The answer to the worldwide sex abuse scandals is for the perpetrators of these crimes and those who aided and abetted them first to be captured and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Bill Maher, admittedly not known for his pro-religious views, put it best last Friday on his show when he said if the Catholic Church was a daycare or some other institution and this was happening on their watch, they would have been shut down ages ago. Secondly, and more importantly going forward, the Catholic Church needs to stop the problem at the source and drop the the celibacy requirement for parish priests, which is a post-Great Schism adaptation in practicing Christianity anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.autostraddle.com/feminism-is-necessary-39359/#comment-36460</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been reading a lot about the sex abuse scandals and the Pope, even though it makes me SO UPSET. But it&#039;s really important to know this stuff I guess. I just don&#039;t understand! HOW DO THESE PEOPLE THINK LIKE THIS?? They really believe it&#039;s ok to protect a priest in Milwaukee who molested over 200 boys, but it&#039;s morally reprehensible to use contraception even in a married couple?

Also, in his Palm Sunday sermon, the Archbishop of New York compared Pope Benedict to Jesus because the Pope is having to suffer so much criticism. YES THE POOR, POOR POPE, LET&#039;S FEEL SO BAD FOR HIM, BUT WHO CARES ABOUT ALL THE CHILDREN.

I can&#039;t even wrap my brain around this you guys! It physically hurts! I am getting a headache!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading a lot about the sex abuse scandals and the Pope, even though it makes me SO UPSET. But it&#8217;s really important to know this stuff I guess. I just don&#8217;t understand! HOW DO THESE PEOPLE THINK LIKE THIS?? They really believe it&#8217;s ok to protect a priest in Milwaukee who molested over 200 boys, but it&#8217;s morally reprehensible to use contraception even in a married couple?</p>
<p>Also, in his Palm Sunday sermon, the Archbishop of New York compared Pope Benedict to Jesus because the Pope is having to suffer so much criticism. YES THE POOR, POOR POPE, LET&#8217;S FEEL SO BAD FOR HIM, BUT WHO CARES ABOUT ALL THE CHILDREN.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t even wrap my brain around this you guys! It physically hurts! I am getting a headache!</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggy Hreins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ziggy Hreins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have never encountered a predetory gay man but god how many straight girls have abused the condition me and my friends have been in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never encountered a predetory gay man but god how many straight girls have abused the condition me and my friends have been in.</p>
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		<title>By: uhmina</title>
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		<dc:creator>uhmina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We are still letting men who are unable to police their own bodies tell us what to do with ours, and that’s fucked up!!&quot;
word. i&#039;m so often flabbergasted by women who forget who their liberties are governed by...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are still letting men who are unable to police their own bodies tell us what to do with ours, and that’s fucked up!!&#8221;<br />
word. i&#8217;m so often flabbergasted by women who forget who their liberties are governed by&#8230;</p>
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