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	<title>Comments on: Gay Marriage in Maine Loses; 53% Vote Yes on 1, Homos Remain Unpopular</title>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you call anyone a twatwaffle and then call THEM a bigot????  Obviously bigotry goes both ways.  Just because people have religious beliefs and they have a right to their beliefs, just as you do, it doesn&#039;t make them &quot;twatwaffles&quot;.  Sounds like there&#039;s more hate going on here than love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you call anyone a twatwaffle and then call THEM a bigot????  Obviously bigotry goes both ways.  Just because people have religious beliefs and they have a right to their beliefs, just as you do, it doesn&#8217;t make them &#8220;twatwaffles&#8221;.  Sounds like there&#8217;s more hate going on here than love.</p>
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		<title>By: oceanplease</title>
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		<dc:creator>oceanplease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love l.l.bean and snow drifts and flannel and nalgene bottles and lobster and campiness (though not so much camping). In other words, I love Maine. I really thought Maine would pull through- it&#039;s a state full of BEARS AND FLANNEL for fucks sake. 

As a MA resident, I&#039;m lucky enough to be able to say that gay marriage was legal before I ever even had a girlfriend. I never worried about whether I would be allowed to get married someday if I wanted to (...though I don&#039;t). Until last year, I really took that shit for granted. State lines were rose colored glasses and naive as I was, I just thought it was a matter of time that other states jumped on Massachusetts&#039; band wagon. It&#039;s been like... forever since gay marriage was legalized here and we&#039;re alive. We&#039;re fine. The Red Sox won the World Series that year (for the first time since 1918). The Patriots won the super bowl the following year. How could people say or think same sex marriage is like this totally terrible, catastrophic, fire and brimstone kind of deal when they&#039;ve got MA to look at as a case study? When Prop 8 passed, I was completely shocked. After all the mobilization and anger and sadness that came out of that- I didn&#039;t think Maine would go the same way. 

This was a year of awesome milestones for equality, with more LGBTQ activists each day. So many people in MA (myself included) gave up Saturdays to canvas, I convinced my ME friends to put in the effort to vote. I didn&#039;t want this to happen again. Even if my &#039;ex&#039; is a raging cunt and I hate her fucking guts, I didn&#039;t want her mom and step mom to have to live in a state where their marriage wasn&#039;t valid. I was hopeful. And then this happened again. I&#039;m sad and I&#039;m hurt and I&#039;m pissed off and I&#039;m angry. But I&#039;m not disheartened and I hope no one else is. It&#039;s not over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love l.l.bean and snow drifts and flannel and nalgene bottles and lobster and campiness (though not so much camping). In other words, I love Maine. I really thought Maine would pull through- it&#8217;s a state full of BEARS AND FLANNEL for fucks sake. </p>
<p>As a MA resident, I&#8217;m lucky enough to be able to say that gay marriage was legal before I ever even had a girlfriend. I never worried about whether I would be allowed to get married someday if I wanted to (&#8230;though I don&#8217;t). Until last year, I really took that shit for granted. State lines were rose colored glasses and naive as I was, I just thought it was a matter of time that other states jumped on Massachusetts&#8217; band wagon. It&#8217;s been like&#8230; forever since gay marriage was legalized here and we&#8217;re alive. We&#8217;re fine. The Red Sox won the World Series that year (for the first time since 1918). The Patriots won the super bowl the following year. How could people say or think same sex marriage is like this totally terrible, catastrophic, fire and brimstone kind of deal when they&#8217;ve got MA to look at as a case study? When Prop 8 passed, I was completely shocked. After all the mobilization and anger and sadness that came out of that- I didn&#8217;t think Maine would go the same way. </p>
<p>This was a year of awesome milestones for equality, with more LGBTQ activists each day. So many people in MA (myself included) gave up Saturdays to canvas, I convinced my ME friends to put in the effort to vote. I didn&#8217;t want this to happen again. Even if my &#8216;ex&#8217; is a raging cunt and I hate her fucking guts, I didn&#8217;t want her mom and step mom to have to live in a state where their marriage wasn&#8217;t valid. I was hopeful. And then this happened again. I&#8217;m sad and I&#8217;m hurt and I&#8217;m pissed off and I&#8217;m angry. But I&#8217;m not disheartened and I hope no one else is. It&#8217;s not over.</p>
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		<title>By: riese</title>
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		<dc:creator>riese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

I&#039;m reading over the responses and I feel Lucia said it well -- feelings and tension are high and it wasn&#039;t the right time or place to expect every answer to be totally clear. But I actually think most of the responses you got&lt;em&gt; were&lt;/em&gt; remarkably coherent and informative.
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But I&#039;d also like you to consider the fact that actually thinking that asking other human beings to explain to you why marrying their girlfriends is not the same as marrying their golden retriever is incredibly offensive and suggests a presumption that we are, in some way, less than human. You put the burden of proof on us to explain why we deserve human rights. 
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I can&#039;t imagine asking you, or anyone, to explain to me why they deserve equal rights. I think it&#039;s sad that we live in a world where someone can ask those questions and not realize how inherently offensive they are, or be shocked that such questions are categorized as bigotry.
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I think there are a lot of reasonable answers provided here to your questions. But please give us the benefit of the doubt that the questions you began with are, indeed, slurs in and of themselves. We are tired, and hurt, and offended by 53% of Maine. Consider walking a mile in our shoes. 
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We don&#039;t have very many safe spaces, Kevin. For a lot of the women here, they have to bite their tongue all day and get ganged up on, insulted, and made to feel less than human by people they can&#039;t talk back to. So forgive those people who didn&#039;t offer reason. 
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I hope you take Lucia&#039;s most recent comment to heart and that we&#039;ve made you think about these issues, and the hurt behind them.
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Despite a litany of reasonable answers, you never once gave us the benefit of the doubt. All we ask of you is the benefit of the doubt. In return, we give it to you.
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Best of everything to you, Kevin.
-Riese-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading over the responses and I feel Lucia said it well &#8212; feelings and tension are high and it wasn&#8217;t the right time or place to expect every answer to be totally clear. But I actually think most of the responses you got<em> were</em> remarkably coherent and informative.<br />
.<br />
But I&#8217;d also like you to consider the fact that actually thinking that asking other human beings to explain to you why marrying their girlfriends is not the same as marrying their golden retriever is incredibly offensive and suggests a presumption that we are, in some way, less than human. You put the burden of proof on us to explain why we deserve human rights.<br />
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I can&#8217;t imagine asking you, or anyone, to explain to me why they deserve equal rights. I think it&#8217;s sad that we live in a world where someone can ask those questions and not realize how inherently offensive they are, or be shocked that such questions are categorized as bigotry.<br />
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I think there are a lot of reasonable answers provided here to your questions. But please give us the benefit of the doubt that the questions you began with are, indeed, slurs in and of themselves. We are tired, and hurt, and offended by 53% of Maine. Consider walking a mile in our shoes.<br />
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We don&#8217;t have very many safe spaces, Kevin. For a lot of the women here, they have to bite their tongue all day and get ganged up on, insulted, and made to feel less than human by people they can&#8217;t talk back to. So forgive those people who didn&#8217;t offer reason.<br />
.<br />
I hope you take Lucia&#8217;s most recent comment to heart and that we&#8217;ve made you think about these issues, and the hurt behind them.<br />
.<br />
Despite a litany of reasonable answers, you never once gave us the benefit of the doubt. All we ask of you is the benefit of the doubt. In return, we give it to you.<br />
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Best of everything to you, Kevin.<br />
-Riese-</p>
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		<title>By: Lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, you have to understand that people are going to be upset and angry after an event like Maine. There are times when we are completely willing to convince you of why same-sex marriage is about equality, and there are times when we feel defeated, helpless and angry. Yesterday was definitely an example of the latter, so you coming here and saying &quot;please explain why you deserve this&quot; understandably upset people. Sometimes you just don&#039;t want to have to convince the entire majority of why you&#039;re a person with feelings too, you just want to be treated like everyone else and get married in a land of rainbows and unicorns. 
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I do hope that you go on to think more about same-sex marriage and LGBT rights following this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, you have to understand that people are going to be upset and angry after an event like Maine. There are times when we are completely willing to convince you of why same-sex marriage is about equality, and there are times when we feel defeated, helpless and angry. Yesterday was definitely an example of the latter, so you coming here and saying &#8220;please explain why you deserve this&#8221; understandably upset people. Sometimes you just don&#8217;t want to have to convince the entire majority of why you&#8217;re a person with feelings too, you just want to be treated like everyone else and get married in a land of rainbows and unicorns.<br />
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I do hope that you go on to think more about same-sex marriage and LGBT rights following this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t respond to everyone. Obviously you are smarter than I because I can&#039;t spell every word correctly when typing my term paper on this forum. Coincidently, this makes me a bigot, which seems to be anyone who disagrees with you on any premise. I don&#039;t need spelling, grammatical rants or name calling to make my argument. I thank Lucia for at least a coherent argument for govt discrimination. I am sorry for coming to this forum to get some answers, instead I got 20 people resorting to name calling and personal attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t respond to everyone. Obviously you are smarter than I because I can&#8217;t spell every word correctly when typing my term paper on this forum. Coincidently, this makes me a bigot, which seems to be anyone who disagrees with you on any premise. I don&#8217;t need spelling, grammatical rants or name calling to make my argument. I thank Lucia for at least a coherent argument for govt discrimination. I am sorry for coming to this forum to get some answers, instead I got 20 people resorting to name calling and personal attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor chics :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor chics <img src='http://www.autostraddle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sapphicsass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sapphicsass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by. You now have gay cooties!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by. You now have gay cooties!</p>
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		<title>By: Sapphicsass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sapphicsass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heart you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heart you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve decided that after the public option passes maybe these people will be able to pay for their therapy and we won&#039;t have to deal with them anymore. Let&#039;s all keep our fingers crossed! It&#039;s okay to cry, bigots! Probably someone someday will love you, even if your mother didn&#039;t and you&#039;re emotionally stunted and heartless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided that after the public option passes maybe these people will be able to pay for their therapy and we won&#8217;t have to deal with them anymore. Let&#8217;s all keep our fingers crossed! It&#8217;s okay to cry, bigots! Probably someone someday will love you, even if your mother didn&#8217;t and you&#8217;re emotionally stunted and heartless!</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disseminated_intravascular_coagulation, obvs.</description>
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		<title>By: kUk!3m0nSt3r</title>
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		<dc:creator>kUk!3m0nSt3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This saddens me...i was extremely crushed by the results but still held my head up high and proud. But reading this, the comments, just tears me apart. i can no longer be angry at those bigots but be extremely sad that there are so many other people carrying this unnecessary hatred. Again i weep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This saddens me&#8230;i was extremely crushed by the results but still held my head up high and proud. But reading this, the comments, just tears me apart. i can no longer be angry at those bigots but be extremely sad that there are so many other people carrying this unnecessary hatred. Again i weep.</p>
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		<title>By: Intern Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intern Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We got trolls when the sexually frustrated hate-mongers realized they didn&#039;t actually have enough facts or brain power to write their own logical articles to persuade even themselves that they had a valid point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got trolls when the sexually frustrated hate-mongers realized they didn&#8217;t actually have enough facts or brain power to write their own logical articles to persuade even themselves that they had a valid point.</p>
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