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Documentaries for Homos: Deliver Us from the Religulous Bible While Tying the Knot Before G-d

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Religulous (2008)

Directed by Larry Charles

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The documentary RELIGULOUS follows political humorist and author Bill Maher as he travels around the globe interviewing people about God and religion including Jerusalem, the Vatican and Salt Lake City, interviewing believers from a variety of backgrounds and groups, including a former member of the Jews for Jesus, Christians, Muslims, former Mormons and Hasidic Jews. He travels to Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park, London, and satirically preaches Scientology beliefs.

The problem with religion is: The whole thing is based on some super-crazy books. Religion encourages followers to reject logic in favor of the mysterious and resolutely illogical "faith." Some people ascribe to religion like they're playing the lotto -- "you can't win if you don't play."religulous You might as well, just in case God IS real.

Footnoting & Fact-Checking the Bible: Original sin & immaculate conception were not in the original Bible. The virgin birth is only in two of the Gospels. The Bible features talking snakes and a man living inside a whale. The Mormons think that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, God lives on a planet near a Star Kolab, dark skin is a curse, American Indians are a lost tribe of Israel, and magic underwear protects you from fire, knives and Satan.

Scientologists believe they were brought here 75 million years ago and are older than the Universe. Furthermore Scientologists believe that you have to rid yourself of implants from evil souls called Thetans which are regulated by a device referred to as an  "e-meter."

Also? The same stories but with different characters appear in the books of every religion & ancient civilization -- cultures that had no contact with one another. Only a similar dedication to storytelling and classic archetypal plots.

The story of Sodom & Gomorrah has been radically misinterpreted to demonize gays when it was just a story about people being bad hosts who threatened their visitors with rape... a common act of war/cruelty.

George Fucking W Cameo: "I believe that God wants everyone to be free ... And that's what I believe. And that is uhhh -- part of my foreign policy."

OMFG MOMENT: Highlights include a creationism museum (where triceratops - DINOSAURS -- wear saddles 'cause humans apparently rode dinasours to the hunt), a biblical amusement park, and a bling-adorned Televangalist insisting Jesus wasn't really poor and in fact that Jesus wants him to have lots of houses and cars.

The ultimate OMFG moment happens with "ex-gay" Pastor of "Exodus Ministries" John Wescott:

Bill Maher: "Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. If it's so important why didn't he ever bring it up?"
Pastor John Wescott: "We could pick lots of little things that he didn't specifically talk about."
Bill Maher: "It's a big thing!"
John Wescott: "Lemme stop this whole thing, I'm not sure what your documentary is about but if it's to refute the word of God, then I'm not interested in doing this interview."
Bill Maher: "Well -- I"
John Wescott: "Obviously you don't have the same relationship to Jesus Christ that I do."
Bill Maher: "What is your explanation for the millions of people around the world who are leading homosexual lives and have no interest in anyone of the opposite sex? Are they all faking to piss off Jesus?"
John Wescott: "They didn't choose this, they didn't desire it."
Bill Maher: "Right, they were born gay!"
John Wescott: "No, they were not born gay. It's because of the insecurity within themselves."
Bill Maher: "Well it takes a lot of security to walk out of the door in ass-less chaps."
John Wescott: "They're not happy."
Bill Maher: "They're called GAY! That's the word! Some of them look positively thrilled!"
John Wescott: "No, they're people who are not complete in who they are as men or women."
Bill Maher: "That's a big judgment for a Christian."

A;ex says: A random woman Maher interviews drops this gem of an idea: "I don't know a lot about politics but I will vote for President Bush because of his faith." Go America!

On a Scale of 1 to 10: Like Michael Moore-meets-Borat but way smarter. Bill Maher's sometimes off-putting arrogance works for him when he holds his own against religious fanatics. Entertaining & educational.

"The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting shit dead wrong."

-Bill Maher

Watch Religulous here:

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Trembling Before G-d (2001)

Directed by Sandi Simcha Dubowski

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Trembling Before G-d is an unprecedented feature documentary that shatters assumptions about faith, sexuality, and religious fundamentalism. Built around intimately-told personal stories of Hasidic and Orthodox Jews who are gay or lesbian, the film portrays a group of people who face a profound dilemma - how to reconcile their passionate love of Judaism and the Divine with the drastic Biblical prohibitions that forbid homosexuality.+

The problem with Ultra-Orthodox Judaism & Hasidism is: Although I personally would've done almost anything to get out of Hebrew School, the Jews in this documentary are super into G-d, are pretty sure G-d loves them too, and just want space for their truths within their religion. It's a clash of new-school and old-school as many are ostracized from their families and those that do get married give their partner serious inadequacy issues.

Fact-Checking the Torah:

The Rabbi says - "The demonstration that human beings can influence even G-d is all over the Torah. Moses influences G-d, Abraham influences G-d. G-d, Ba'ruch Ha'shem, wishes to learn from his conversations with human beings. All over the torah. The whole engagement is not about G-d's control but about G-d's love, because G-d engages human beings, says what he thinks, human beings say what they think ... It's not Judaism if it's not responsive to the human condition."

"I have to believe that if someone is gay, then that is an assignment from Hashem, and that Hashem is somehow also sharing with that person, not just the strength to carry out the assignment as best as they can, but ultimately it's part of the life purpose of that person to have struggled and to work with that particular issue among others. To do the best they can. These are the secrets of His soul."

trembling before g-dOMFG MOMENT: A gay man visiting a Hasidic neighborhood gets in a conversation about why his parents won't talk to him anymore, and then passionately delivers the following monologue to an interested passerby and the cameras: "I know I live in my faith. I don't know what that faith is, I don't know what G-d is, I certainly know it's not the G-d that tells me I shouldn't do this, I shouldn't do that, I'm not the G-d that stimulated that Yeshiva student when I was 15 years old to get me to confess that I masturbated, that I had sex with my brother and made me swear to him that I would never do it again and drove me 12 weeks later to suicide and drove me to a mental hospital and drove me to have electric shock therapy that burned out my brain. That's not the G-d that redeemed Israel out of Egypt!"

Riese Says: Even after many years of religious & Hebrew education, a Bat Mitzvah, and a good amount of independent study, I didn't realize that Jews had such a serious issue with homosexuality 'cause we're not into the whole heaven/hell thing.

See; most Fundamentalist Orthodox & Hasidic Jews live in fairly insular societies; attending their own schools and living in their own neighborhoods. And unlike Christians with similarly redonkulous interpretations of their holy books who evangelicise across our country, these American Jews don't put as much energy into recruiting or condemning outsiders. They kinda just stick to themselves and consequently, stick to their own insular homophobia. So therefore, I had no idea that homos were so unwelcome in the temple. Or -- rather -- I did know ... but I felt we were moving forward more rapidly than it turns out that we are.

Right. So it turns out that everyone who dares to judge anyone beyond himself, empowered by this mighty book that begins with a magical snake (HELLO! "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."), becomes a self-righteous asshole.

Hope! This was the only film it seemed that wanted religion to be better than this, who wanted religion to work. Are there other films like this? Should there be? Or are the remaining believers just idiots to believe?

However ... there is hope! In fact, Trembling Before G-d jumpstarted a movement that began with a huge Sabbath at Sundance and streamrollied into over 800 screenings & conversations all around the world. Director DuBowski went on to start an Orthodox Outreach and Education Project with unprecedented reach.

Last winter, after years of intense discussion and debate, the Conservative Movement made a bold and historic policy change: legalizing the ordination of gay and lesbian rabbis and the ability to perform same-sex unions.

You can watch Trembling Before G-d in its entirety at One More Lesbian, and also right here:

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Next time we'll talk about Jesus Camp, a Jihad for Love, Equality U, Camp Out, Coming Out in the Developing World ... any other tips?

50 responses to “Documentaries for Homos: Deliver Us from the Religulous Bible While Tying the Knot Before G-d”

  1. Lynne

    im about to sleep so im not reading this yet. but i already have SO.MANY.FEELINGS. — can’t wait to see what you guys have to sayyy :)

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  2. autumn m

    soo… i wasnt going to read this. but.. then i decided to. i have alot of feelings and things to say. but im not going to share them. i just want to know why you guys did this? what made you decide to do something on this topic? its very… interesting. i cant say much more…. due to feelings and thoughts and beliefs, but i can say what hit me the most was this statement, “My daughter is dead because of the untruth I was taught by the church.”

    also… since you said you were going to do something on Equality U. they did this thing called the Soulforce Equality Ride. and one of the 19 conservative religious and/or military colleges they went to was the college i attened. thankfully it was after i left. but i heard about it that night. they stood on the sidewalk with signs and linked arms. the police were called. the director said, “one step, and youre going to jail.” i think 3 got arrested. but the thing i remember most was a friend who was telling me a bunch of people we knew went out to talk to them. it turned into this HUGE fight. one girl said her brother killed himself because people were judging him for being gay. and… a friend said, “good, he deserved to die, God hates him.” i felt sooo bad knowing that i was friends with someone who said that. it killed me. so i found one of their email addresses and apologize on behalf of my friends. and then i ended my friendship.

    LOTS of feelings happening….

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  3. Suzanna

    I would also recommend the Trials of Ted Haggard by Alexandra Pelosi. And not just because I want Alexandra Pelosi to be my new girlfriend.

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    1. a;ex

      omg that sounds like a must-see. Consider it considered! Thanks for the rec.

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      1. Jen

        Jesus Camp, directed by Rachel Grady and Heidi Ewin, includes a ‘rousing’ Ted Haggard speech (sermon?)… and was the first religious docu I’ve ever watched and it scared me because of the power this church had over the young, young kids.

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      2. Laura

        def watch this. they sing a song called “a behemoth is a dinosaur” at a church camp solely devoted to telling kids that the world is only 6000 years old.

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  4. Rae

    I recommend “One Nation Under God” about the “ex-gay” movement and the techniques they use to “cure” people of teh ghey.

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    1. a;ex

      Also something we’ll be checking out… thanks for the heads up Rae!

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  5. Bren

    Great job on this, ladies. I haven’t seen Deliver Us from Evil yet. Consider it Netflixed.

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  6. mon

    i’m so glad you guys are doing this, i feel like the vast majority of people actively avoid thinking/talking about religion +/- politics, when it seems outrageous how much blatant brainwashing is happening. after i see religious docos i want to talk to EVERYONE about it.

    i have a question though, before i go and watch the ones i haven’t seen yet: were they generally presented from an impartial point of view or did they lean more to one side or the other? i have comments to make about jesus camp in that regard but i’ll save them for later.

    also p.s. heehee smiley face in the corner!

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  7. Heather

    Living in the Bible Belt, unfortunately, I see religious hatred all the time. Instead of being so angry and hateful to gays, these people should be angry at evil people like O’Grady. Christians’ energy should be used to fight this kind of blatant evil instead of fighting people who are not hurting any body.

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    1. a;ex

      There was a guy in the “For the Bible Tells Me So” doc named Jake Reitan who told his story of coming out and his parents told their story of struggling with it. Very Christian, obvs.
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      By the end of the film, his family makes a huge turn-around. It was a great example of a family standing by their son and speaking out against bigots like Pat Robertson. It was awesome and heart-warming and made me cry! JK I don’t cry.

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      1. Heather

        I wish more people could make that turn-around. That story might of made me cry too, if I was the crying type. Whatever, I totally am.

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  8. Jess

    Have you guys seen Small Town Gay Bar? You can watch it on YouTube starting here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI0eZdKKFFo

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  9. mere84

    love documentaries and I haven’t seen ANY of these… i’m a bad gay. LOL. anyway, thanks for the recs and the full upload w/ “religulous”. i’ll start there after work :)

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    1. Intern Elizabeth

      Maybe those of us who haven’t seen these should organize a viewing- I’ll bring the tissues and alcohol! ;)

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  10. Intern Elizabeth

    I haven’t seen most/any of these (save for a few clips) because they tend to make me so angry/sad/frustrated. I believe in God, but not organized religion (anymore), because of all the craziness, hate, judgement. I know I should watch at least some of these, and I want to, but maybe I should have a bottle of wine with them…?

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  11. mere84

    “I believe in God, but not organized religion (anymore)”…

    I wonder how many GLBTI people share that stance? I’m sort of on that band-wagon. I don’t belong to a church but my girlfriend does and (living in the south) most of my friends are regular attendees–so I definitely think organized religion has its merits in it’s ability to build a community and provide support structures (given, of course, those communities are supportive of ALL constituents… and so far, I have yet to really see that happen). I guess I sort of fancy myself agnostic. Even still, there are moments of doubt. Leave it to Stephen Colbert: “let’s face it, agnostics are just atheists without balls.”

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    1. Intern Elizabeth

      It’s sort of sad how many people get chased out of the church by judgemental ‘Christians’ who are supposed to be doing the opposite. When we first brought up religion here on Autostraddle back in May, I wrote a blog post of my feelings about it, if you’re interested- http://ellibmusings.blogspot.com/2009/05/in-name-of.html

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  12. Sarah

    I’m fairly certain that The Garden of Eden is nowhere close to Missouri. Trust me.

    I haven’t seen any of these docs yet (I was a little afraid I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night). But a couple of these look worth it.

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  13. mere84

    thanks elizabeth – missed that!

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  14. bcw

    i don’t understand how a movie about a pedophile pastor in the catholic church fits in with the rest of these.

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    1. a;ex

      I feel like the underlying theme of all these documentaries Riese and I discussed here as that religious institutions are, and have always been, hypocritical.
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      I feel like “Deliver Us From Evil” brings a lot to the table here. We’re constantly told that homosexuality is a sin, we’re evil, we’re going to hell, God hates fags etc etc you know the deal…
      meanwhile, these gentleman condemning us are molesting young children AND are being protected by their “holy” superiors. It all ties in.
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      “Religulous” is the same deal. It doesn’t address homosexuality specifically but by discussing religion and its present context/existence, I believe homosexuality is always either directly or indirectly part of that discussion.
      Get me yo?

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      1. bcw

        yeah i get it (and had assumed it), but this analysis wasn’t in the review itself. that, combined with the post’s title and the fact that all the other reviews touch explicitly on homosexuality, left me waiting for the tie-in. thanks for clearing it up here!

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  15. bcw

    i think this goes without saying (and i certainly don’t think alex or riese would argue otherwise or that the post was doing so), but i want to state the obvious and say that there are examples, though maybe not TONS, of institutionalized/organized religion (which seems to be more the focus here, as opposed to individuals who profess personal faith) being accepting of homosexuality. the united church of canada, for example, condones gay ministers marrying gay couples in old churches (and various combinations thereof!) also obviously, nutso fundamentalists everywhere make it hard for that to seem possible.
    related: i worked at and eventually directed a presbyterian children’s summer camp for the better part of a decade and was out and proud the whole time (and presbyterians are among the stuffiest protestants). the 60-year old, texan managing director even decorated the dining hall with rainbow streamers for my birthday one year. there are often gaps between the official positions a church takes and the ways that its “members” actually live their faiths. because even though “The Church” might say one thing, “The Church” is still just made of people, and people can be pretty cool. some can be idiots. but there are idiot homophobic atheists, too.
    that said, i have to go burn this polycotton devil-shirt.

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    1. bcw

      wow, talk about a threadbomb, bcw. i am the howard dean of religion comment threads! LOLCATHOLICS!

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    2. cavekid

      It seems to me that we have a lot in common…the internet is a strange and funny place some days

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  16. erin

    There’s a relatively new documentary called ‘Fish Out of Water’ that deals with gays in the church. I don’t think it’s available to rent yet, but it played earlier this month at a Rhode Island film festival so hopefully it should make it to NY soon. Scored by Kaki King hi-yo! trailer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU2hWgu_uGE

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    1. Leah

      RI!!! Erin, do you live there?

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      1. erin

        Oh no, I’m all the way on the other side of the country in Portland but I’ve been keeping up with the film because it’s not been released nationwide yet. I guess RI is where it’s at?

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        1. Leah

          hellz yeah, except I live in SEattle now, but it WAS where it was at.

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  17. Leah

    Saw Religulous last night. Love love loved it. I can’t say I am as hardcore to one side like Bill, but it made me think and rethink and think again. I loved how much theme-park Jesus loved himself. He gets off on being recognized “all the time” in public!

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  18. annie

    its about a very specific group and not exclusively about the gays, but i remember watching louis theroux’s documentary spending 3 weeks with the westboro baptist church a couple of years ago when i was first coming out and just being so shocked and fascinated by the extremity of their beliefs and how far they extend them, can never get my head around it. i just find it so terrifying, i had never really heard of this kinda thing beforehand. really think louis theroux handles it well, seems like such a nice guy too!
    its here http://vodpod.com/watch/453706-louis-theroux-westboro-baptist-church if you’re at all interested!
    literally just finished watching religulous which i agree was really entertaining and interesting, although the islam/judaism section a bit confusing and unfocused and i think maybe it would have benefitted from sticking to one religion as it felt pretty unbalanced. definitely worth watching though!

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